ù Quoting Bob Rudolph from a message to Ryan Bagueros  ù 
BR> 'civilization' - so  maybeyou're just trying to have your cake, eat 
BR> it, too, and appear to be  something you're not.  Nobody puts a gun 
BR> to your head and makes you do  something you hate - sounds a bit maso 
BR> to me.
To suggest that civilization and equity are mutually exclusive is pretty 
ridiculous. Its always the same whenever someone criticizes the way things 
are 
in the U$A - "hell, just move to africa then, smartass!" I haven't denied 
that 
I am a part of this culture, I am obviously part of this technological 
culture 
(considering we are talking on a bbs net carried on the bbs that I run). 
US Capital's tentacles are stretched worldwide. Vietnam, Kampuchea, Mexico, 
Columbia, all of these places are slaves to the yankee dollar. In places 
where 
there are attempts at self-determination, like Chiapas, the US dollar is 
there 
to buy tanks to stop it.
Because of that, and because I had the fortune to be born here, I have the 
opportunity to subvert from the inside. 
BR> Rather grand, if impractical - and rather unlikely to succeed - a but 
BR> on the  quixotic side.  What do you use instead of capital, and how 
BR> do you get the  cooperation of manufacturing and engineering absent 
BR> the motivation of profit?   'Everything belongs to everyone' has been 
BR> tried, and the largestresult was  nations unable to produce anything 
BR> anyone needed once their borders were  opened.
If you are referring to the Communist Bloc countries, you're right, I cannot 
defend them. Nor would I ever want to, since I am not an advocate of 
communism. I will take issue with your statement that those countries were 
founded on an 'everything belongs to everyone' principle. In those countries, 
everything belonged to the government - certainly not what I'm talking about.
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