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 MP> KETIRA  was thinking about Re: Punishment and keyed into cyberspace:
 
 K>I agree with you, and I *know* it works.  How?
 MP> Well, I do not agree with that idiotic statement. It demonstrates a 
 MP> total lack of knowledge of what ADHD is, and it perpetuates the old 
 MP> wives tale that ADHD is the result of poor parenting.
 MP> ADHD is physiological. IOW, it is part of the hardware, not the 
 MP> software.
I KNOW THAT AS I AM ALSO ADHD!  
 
 K>I've seen it myself with my best friend's daughter.  She's hyper --I
 K>can tell just by hearing some of the things she does.  Jaime (this
 K>kid) does some of the things *I* did at that age.  But take the child
 K>out in public... and she is one of the best well-behaved kids out
 K>there.   
 MP> The the kid is NOT ADHD. ADHDers cannot turn it on and turn it off 
 MP> depending upon where they are. They are ADHD morning, noon and night.
 
Oh, she's still hyper --just better behaved in public then she is at
home.  Why don't I email you her mother's phone number so you can get the
WHOLE story?
Her mother was ADHD as well, but she spent *her* extra energy on horseback,
and *grew out of it* --as some kids do-- at age 9.  We expect Jaime to go
the same route.
Why are you accusing without hearing the whole story?
 MP> And a beaten child. A shame.
NOT ALL THE TIME.  Spanking *sometimes works* -- it did for me, and if
my friend wants to raise *her* child that way, well, that's *her* perogative.
I just wanted to show that discipline *does* work if properly used.  We
ADHDers need *more* of it than most --including ADDults.
 
That child, overall, is a *very happy child* who loves her mother and 
makes everyone laugh with her giggles.  Who are you to judge whether the
child is happy or not?  You're only going on my words alone -- go TALK to
Jaime and her mother.
 K>It works, if the parents are willing to work with the child and
 K>explain *why* the rule is there.  (and have patience while doing so.
 K>:) 
 MP> Fine explain the rule. Set limits. Have a consequence for going beyond
 MP> the limits. However, to move from no punishment to beating the child
 MP> is absurd. You give up so much. And the vast majority of parents are 
 MP> willing to work with the child.
When did I say that *I* was taking care of Jaime?  She's is *my
friend's daughter*, not mine.  I don't have children --yet.  I treat this
child as she were one of my nieces - with a lot of love and a lot of 
patience.  When did I say that the situation went from setting limits to 
spanking *without* working with the child?  
You're *assuming*, gent; I do not know when my friend started this with her
daughter.  Be careful when "assuming"; you may end up looking like the first
three letters.  Email me at tracywirs@aol.com & I'll give you her phone
number so YOU can argue about it with her.  She's not in this echo yet,
although I'm trying to get her in here to talk to other parents of ADD.
You're also *accusing* my friend of abuse, and she does NOT do that.  I 
would have *definitely* noticed that when I was down there if she was.
You are also *accusing* ME of not knowing about the disorder when I LIVE
it EVERY SINGLE DAY.  I'm one of the ones that was BORN this way, and
I'm learning to control it.
One more post in *that* tone of voice, boy --and you're on my twit list.
I will NOT tolerate folk accusing me of ignorance.
Sincerely,
Tracy M. Wirs
send mail ONLY to tracywirs@aol.com
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