*** Quoting Vladimir Donskoy from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

 CS>> It's my belief until shown otherwise, that Vladimir isnt lying

VD>  MvdV>> I am not saying that he is lying.

 CS>> and that this 'referendum' was widely known in R50.

VD>  MvdV>> That is just conjecture.

 CS> Conjecture, to 'guess'.  IE:  in your use of the wording, LIE.  I have no
 CS> reason to believe Vladimir is lying and that this 'referendum' was as
 CS> widely known as he has stated.

VD> Ask another R50's sysops! Or ask returning officer, and you will have
VD> information about send netmails to _all_ R50's sysops.

Grin, i could but for now, I see no reason to not take you at your word for it.
While we may not have always agreed on everything, i see no sense of you
ever ¨having been untruthful.  At the most, you present things from your
own point of ¨view and at worst, i may have trouble understanding it so
have to ask for more ¨words to understand it.

I am as hot headed sometimes as the next.  I just cut feeds after 2 years
to ¨the Zone7 echo.  See, me and another interested ZC were listening and
hoping ¨for some info and finally we sent a total of 3 messages in *gasp*
english just ¨saying hello.  We got told to take it to netmail.  Fine.  One
more bridge ¨burned by any who wanted a Z7 was to take the only 2 ZC's
listening and tell ¨them to take it to netmail.  Kinda like having cold
mashed turnips shoved up ¨your nose.

Seriously Vladimir, if even the Z7 echo folks dont want to allow a person
to ¨say 'hello' when one of them is the ZC they may want to move to, what
are the ¨rest of us to think?

 CS> as i can tell.  I object to you making it look like he is.  I suggest a
 CS> far better way to learn about how he is thinking, is to just ask him
 CS> without insulting him internationally.

 CS> (Vlad, apologies.  I know you can stand on your own but am not su
 CS> picked up that he insulted you.  All the folks who use english as a first
 CS> language though probably picked up on it).

VD> I am suffer enough and tolerant to try to explain a thing, not clear t
VD> him. As, probably, not only he does not see a true state of affairs...

Michiel is 'unique'.  He's a good person in many ways but has little
tolerance ¨for the thoughts of others if they challange any concepts he has
held deeply. ¨Your very idea of shifting some of Z2 to another zone (7 or
other) challanges ¨those parts deeply it seems to me.  Like me, he reacts
negatively to change ¨ideas at the start but unlike me, he seldom changes
that stance.  I do after ¨thinking further, often do change a stance.

Grin, kinda like he's a rock and I'm a snowflake.  Fortunately, folks like
¨snowflakes in whatever form they are in at the moment.

Sorry if I reacted before you did. Perhaps you would have preferred to let
it ¨ride (let it alone without comment) but it upset me.  It was 'unjust'
and that ¨always will set me off.
                                       xxcarol

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