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   I wouldn't recommend a best buy no-name box or the similar cheap ones =
at compusa either.  You can get an inexpensive Dell or HP box with =
Windows XP preloaded for less than $400. =20

   I thought I saw one at compusa earlier today but can't find it on =
their web site.  Best Buy has a $499 HP system with a $100 gift card at =
http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=3D11216104&m=3D0&cat=3D0&scat=3D0.
 = There is a Presario desktop at =
http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=3D11214707&m=3D488&cat=3D490&scat=3D4=
91 which is also $499 and looks to have a $100 gift card and a $50 =
rebate.  The HP system looks nicer as one might expect for $50 more.

   On its web site, Dell has a 2.2 GHz, 256 MB RAM, 30 GB disk, CD-R/W =
system for $299.  There is no free shipping this week so unless you can =
convince them it may cost another $90 or so.

Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3ed19786{at}w3.nls.net...
  Cheapie consumers machines can do that nicely, so it'd probably pay =
you
  time-wise and frustration-wise to get an XPHome machine and be done =
with it.
  I saw one in the Best Buy paper for less than $400, gotta add a =
monitor
  though. (or a Linux machine for even cheaper)

  - Bob Comer


  "Ellen K."  wrote in message
  news:u343dv4kkk471lf1ls9r08qgb4tgji980b{at}4ax.com...
  > This isn't my development box, it's more like my email / internet /
  > cardfile box.
  >
  > On Wed, 14 May 2003 16:35:36 -0400, "Robert Comer"
  >  wrote in message :
  >
  > >Ellen, I agree with Rich (for once. ), a new install is
the best =
way
  to
  > >go over an upgrade.
  > >
  > >64MB would run W2K as Rich says, but it would be pretty slow doing
  > >development stuff.  I'd get an upgrade if you can. (you can never =
have
  > >enough RAM is what I go by and it's the absolute first upgrade I =
think
  about
  > >if there's a performance problem...)
  > >
  > >- Bob Comer
  > >
  > >
  > >"Rich"  wrote in message news:3ec2a71a{at}w3.nls.net...
  > >   The system requirements for Windows 2000 Professional can be =
found at
  > =
>http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/professional/evaluation/sysreqs/.
  64MB
  > >is the low end.
  > >
  > >   Again, if you do this I would recommend against an upgrade.  Do =
a
  clean
  > >install and reformat the hard disk.
  > >
  > >Rich
  > >
  > >  "Robert Comer"  wrote
in message
  > >news:3ec2a370$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  > >  > Would W2K even run on such a box?  (I bought in in early '98 I
  think.)
  > >
  > >  Most likely, but there may be a driver problem if it's not =
standard
  stuff
  > >  from that time.
  > >
  > >  >So far
  > >  > I can't find memory for it, only have 64MB.
  > >
  > >  What is it?  (Make/model)  I'll see if I can find out more about =
it.
  > >
  > >  > Also, with W2K wouldn't I want NTFS?   Right now it's FAT32.
  > >
  > >  If all you're going to do is run one OS on it, yep, you'd want =
NTFS --=20
  the
  > >  W2K offers to upgrade your drive to NTFS, no problem. If you have =
other
  > >  partitions, there's a convert program you run after you do the =
install.
  > >
  > >  - Bob Comer
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >  "Ellen K"  wrote in message
  > >  news:909377.ae7c35{at}harborwebs.com...
  > >  > Would W2K even run on such a box?  (I bought in in early '98 I
  think.)
  > >So
  > >  far
  > >  > I can't find memory for it, only have 64MB.
  > >  >
  > >  > Also, with W2K wouldn't I want NTFS?   Right now it's FAT32.
  > >  >
  > >  > > From: "Robert Comer" 
  > >  > > Why not upgrade to W2KPro or WinXP -- it wouldn't be the =
speediest
  box
  > >  in
  > >  > > the world, but it'd be more stable and run more of today's
  programming
  > >  > > stuff?
  > >  > > - Bob Comer
  > >  > > "Ellen K" 
wrote in message
  > >  > > news:509347.ac8012{at}harborwebs.com...
  > >  > >> Urk.  If that's the case then the only thing I'd
get with =
98SE
  would
  > >be
  > >  > > the
  > >  > >> ability to run newer versions of stuff that
don't run on 95 =
any
  more
  > >  (like
  > >  > > the
  > >  > >> Norton security stuff).
  > >  > >>
  > >  > >> Anything resembling power management is already disabled.
  > >  > >>
  > >  > >> How do you shut down to the
"orange-on-black idiot screen =
only"?
  > >  > >>
  > >  > >> What about Rnaapp?
  > >  > >>
  > >  > >> Maybe the original hard drive is starting to go bad... ?
  > >  > >>
  > >  > >> > From: "Frank Haber"

  > >  > >> > Why do you think 98SE will help your
shutdown problem?  =
Win 95
  did
  > >a
  > >  > > pretty
  > >  > >> > good job shutting down early APM systems.  98SE had =
notorious
  > >  problems
  > >  > > with
  > >  > >> > that, got two partially successful patches
for it, has had =
whole
  > >  > > websites
  > >  > >> > written about its power problems.  There
are still a bunch =
of
  > >  machines
  > >  > > out
  > >  > >> > there that won't shut down properly.
  > >  > >> > Have you considered just disabling power
management, =
shutting
  down
  > >to
  > >  > > the
  > >  > >> > orange-on-black idiot screen only, then
leaning on the =
power
  switch
  > >  for
  > >  > > five
  > >  > >> > seconds?
  > >
  > >
  >


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   I
wouldn't recommend a =
best buy=20
no-name box or the similar cheap ones at compusa either.  You can
= get an=20
inexpensive Dell or HP box with Windows XP preloaded for less than =
$400. =20

 
   I thought
I saw one at =
compusa earlier=20
today but can't find it on their web site.  Best Buy has a $499 HP
= system=20
with a $100 gift card at http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=3D11216104&m=3D0&cat=3D=
0&scat=3D0">http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=3D11216104&m=3D0&=
amp;cat=3D0&scat=3D0. =20
There is a Presario desktop at http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=3D11214707&m=3D488&ca=
t=3D490&scat=3D491">http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=3D11214707&am=
p;m=3D488&cat=3D490&scat=3D491 which=20
is also $499 and looks to have a $100 gift card and a $50 rebate. 
= The HP=20
system looks nicer as one might expect for $50 more.
 
  
On its web site, Dell =
has a 2.2=20
GHz, 256 MB RAM, 30 GB disk, CD-R/W system for $299.  There is no = free=20
shipping this week so unless you can convince them it may cost another =
$90 or=20
so.
 
Rich
 

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:3ed19786{at}w3.nls.net...Ch=
eapie=20
  consumers machines can do that nicely, so it'd probably pay =
youtime-wise=20
  and frustration-wise to get an XPHome machine and be done with =
it.I saw=20
  one in the Best Buy paper for less than $400, gotta add a =
monitorthough.=20
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Comer"Ellen K."=20
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t;=20
  wrote in messagenews:u343dv4kkk4=
71lf1ls9r08qgb4tgji980b{at}4ax.com...>=20
  This isn't my development box, it's more like my email / internet =
/>=20
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"Robert=20
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performance=20
  problem...)> >> >- Bob
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  >> >"Rich" <{at}>
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=20
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>Rich>=20
  >> >  "Robert Comer"
<bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
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>news:3ec2a370$1{at}w3.nls.net...> > 
=
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=
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be the=20
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in> >  > > =
the world,=20
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>  > > - Bob =
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  >  > > "Ellen K" <Ellen.K{at}harborwebs.com>">mailto:Ellen.K{at}harborwebs.com">Ellen.K{at}harborwebs.com>
=
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  >  > >> Urk.  If that's the
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>  > >> Anything =
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> >>>=20
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>>> >  > =
>>=20
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=20
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>=20
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