Hi Carol!

Monday April 24 2006, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Vladimir Donskoy:

 CS>>> and that this 'referendum' was widely known in R50.

 MvdV>> That is just conjecture.

 CS>> Conjecture, to 'guess'.  IE:  in your use of the wording, LIE.  I
 CS>> have no reason to believe Vladimir is lying and that this
 CS>> 'referendum' was as widely known as he has stated.

 VD>> Ask another R50's sysops! Or ask returning officer, and you will have
 VD>> information about send netmails to _all_ R50's sysops.

 CS> Grin, i could but for now, I see no reason to not take you at your word
 CS> for it. While we may not have always agreed on everything, i see no sense
 CS> of you ever ¨having been untruthful.  At the most, you present things from
 CS> your own point of ¨view and at worst, i may have trouble understanding it
 CS> so have to ask for more ¨words to understand it.

Of cource, I write only "from me" (IMHO), in these letters I have
no "official person".

 CS> I am as hot headed sometimes as the next.  I just cut feeds after 2 years
 CS> to ¨the Zone7 echo.  See, me and another interested ZC were listening and
 CS> hoping ¨for some info and finally we sent a total of 3 messages in *gasp*
 CS> english just ¨saying hello.  We got told to take it to netmail.  Fine.
 CS> One more bridge ¨burned by any who wanted a Z7 was to take the only 2 ZC's
 CS> listening and tell ¨them to take it to netmail.  Kinda like having cold
 CS> mashed turnips shoved up ¨your nose.

Carol, echo Zone7 is not "echo 7-th zone", it is an echo
"the Zone7 project"! That is support othernet instead of FIDO!

 CS> Seriously Vladimir, if even the Z7 echo folks dont want to allow a person
 CS> to ¨say 'hello' when one of them is the ZC they may want to move to, what
 CS> are the ¨rest of us to think?

This (and more other) echo is not "test echo" (not "for test
purposes")...

 CS>> as i can tell.  I object to you making it look like he is.  I suggest
 CS>> a far better way to learn about how he is thinking, is to just ask
 CS>> him without insulting him internationally.

 CS>> (Vlad, apologies.  I know you can stand on your own but am not su
 CS>> picked up that he insulted you.  All the folks who use english as a
 CS>> first language though probably picked up on it).

 VD>> I am suffer enough and tolerant to try to explain a thing, not clear t
 VD>> him. As, probably, not only he does not see a true state of affairs...

 CS> Michiel is 'unique'.  He's a good person in many ways but has little
 CS> tolerance ¨for the thoughts of others if they challange any concepts he
 CS> has held deeply. ¨Your very idea of shifting some of Z2 to another zone (7
 CS> or other) challanges ¨those parts deeply it seems to me.  Like me, he
 CS> reacts negatively to change ¨ideas at the start but unlike me, he seldom
 CS> changes that stance.  I do after ¨thinking further, often do change a
 CS> stance.

He is the conservative.

 CS> Grin, kinda like he's a rock and I'm a snowflake.  Fortunately, folks like
 CS> ¨snowflakes in whatever form they are in at the moment.

 CS> Sorry if I reacted before you did. Perhaps you would have preferred to let
 CS> it ¨ride (let it alone without comment) but it upset me.  It was 'unjust'
 CS> and that ¨always will set me off.

Yes let lives, basically his ideas true.


Regards, Vladimir Donskoy

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