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to: JIM SANDERS
from: ROB HAGEMAN
date: 1998-02-17 13:55:00
subject: news-023

Good Morning JIM!
Vrydag 13 Februari 1998 11:26, Jim Sanders schreef (wrote to) aan Rob 
geman:
 JS> ROB,
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 >>  JS> I believe that most of the American troops in these foreign areas
 >>  JS> would much rather be home in the good old U.S.A. We have fought
 >>  JS> their battles and protected them for the fifty three years since
 >>  JS> the end of WW II.  Maybe the American debt would not be so great
 >>  JS> if we had the money spend pulling other's tails out of a crack. I do
 >>  JS> not remember any Italians protesting the thousands of aircraft and
 >>  JS> millions of American men there in 1943, 44, & 45. We were not on a
 >>  JS> picnic. Jim
 >>  JS> ===
 >>
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 >>
 >> I quote the entire article but I really want to comment only on the
 >> lines you wrote after -+-+-+-+-+-+-+ .. etc
 >>
 >> I read Catch 22 by Joseph Heller - in dutch and I cannot find the page I
 >> want to refer to - so out of my memory in my own words-
 JS>     Don't believe what you read in Catch-22.  That was fiction.
Catch-22 is fiction - yes - I do not think that Mr. Heller (whether he was 
there in Italy at that time or was not) commercialized his or may be recorded 
experiences - for profit only.
 >> Somebody in a bomber was streetching low over the water where airman on
 >> and near a wooden raft were recreating. The plane was very low and
 >> I believe the story went that the responsible pilot ordered his crew to
 >> bail out and then crashed the plane against a mountain nearby.
 >> Yes there is a difference between a war and a picnic - pilots should
 >> know better!
 >> Bravado does not pay. They're not in the movies where people in ski lifts
 >> >> stuntmen.
___________
 JS>    After serving as a combat crew member in THREE wars, I am well
 JS>  aware of the facts. Also I spent 8 years on a B-52 crew in the
 JS>  Strategic Air Command during the "Cold War."
 JS>  You should read some of the short stories from my "Escape &
 JS>  Evasion" newsletter or "Ex-POW Bulletin" and you will see some
 JS>  of the true stories. I have posted many here. Not the trash
 JS>  written to make money...
 JS>    -=*  Jim Sanders  *=-
 JS>  * MsgView V1.13 [R028] * Until Eve arrived, this was a man's world!
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JIM
I was about 4 years of age when a German bomber "slightly damaged"  after a 
raid on England dropped the bombs that he should have dropped "there" dropped 
them on the way to  -Schiphol - Amsterdam -  I don't know if the plane landed 
safely - I remember only  that I was dressed in a hurry by my mother while 
there was a lot of dust in the room end the ceiling lamp swaying. Luckily 
there was only one T casualty. My father told me later that the Germans had 
offered their excuses for the incident.
If you were in 'this' war - you must be an octogenarian -  s..t I am just 60 
and did about 3 years in the royal dutch Airforce  and never got in a "war" 
situation. 'apart from the I'm better than you - dear collegue commercial 
competition.(ratrace)
JIM - I think Joseph Heller is a great writer. I sense that he has more than 
a journalist interest in what he wrote in Catch 22. When he made some dough 
with his writing - I do not envy him. - He did write other things later. 
Fiction ?
God Knows.
greetings Rob                                      | r.hageman@dosgg.nl
                                                   | quantumt@worldonline.nl
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