Replying to a message of Jeff Binkley to Bob Ackley:

 JB>>> happens over 800,000 times a year in the US,
 JB>>> 32M+  since Roe v Wade and involves 1 in 6 pregnancies.

 BA>> You really want to support another 32 million unemployed/unemployable
 BA>> welfare recipients in this country?

 JB> Wow.  You condemn them all to a life of poverty and don't believe that 
 JB> all life is precious and able to all significant value to their Earth?

On your first point I don't condemn them to anything, I simply noted that there
aren't enough (paying) jobs for the people who are here now.  Adding 32 million
to the population would simply aggravate the existing problem.

On your second point:  Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, etc. etc.
So no, IMO *all* life is *not* precious etc. etc.

 JB> Is this an economics discussion with you?

Pretty much.  Moral issues - such as this one - I leave to the individuals
involved.

 JB> I was adopted and am not unemployed nor unemployable.  I actually support
 JB> many of those exact types.  Your argument shows how shallow the left is and
 JB> how little they  value life.  At least they know how to place a price on it. 

My sister is very sensitive on this particular issue.  My mother's
physician *strongly*
recommended that my mother abort that pregnancy.  Mom had recently (1948-50) had
polio and was paralyzed from the waist down and in 1951 was still bedridden and not
completely recovered.  There were very sound medical reasons for that
particular abortion,
and mom would have none of it, her *choice*; she did allow the obstetrician to do a
hysterectomy at the same time my sister was delivered by C-section.

 JB>>>  It is neither rare  nor infrequent.   

 BA>> Most of the anti-abortion folks, presumably including yourself,
 BA>> *also* oppose all forms of birth control.  I also note that I don't
 BA>> see any of the anti-abortion folks offering to adopt or support the
 BA>> resulting children if carried to term.

 JB> I am fine with birth control, including abstinence.  You don't see any 
 JB> because you aren't looking.

I don't look for support for birth control measures - including abstinence.  I only
take note of the very vocal opposition to all forms of it except abstinence - and
that very vocal opposition seems to emanate from the same people who are also
very (not just) vocally anti-abortion.

 JB>  How many babies get adopted outside of
 JB> this  country because the far left has intentionally made adoption in
 JB> the US  too difficult and risky ?  

One reason adoptions are risky is the US legal system, not the 'far left.'

If an absent father decides - ten years after the fact - that he really wants
to raise the kid he didn't even know or care about at the time, he can have the
adoption annulled and take custody of the child that he's never seen before.
There have been some *really* nasty court fights over this sort of thing,
and AFAIK the adoptive parents *always* lose.

Parents who surrender their child for adoption often if not usually expect to never
see it again.  Adoption records are supposed to be sealed and secret, but some
adopted children have managed to get the information then go track down their
biological parent(s), twenty or more years after the fact, show up at their door
and say "Hi, I'm your kid... ."

I was once acquainted with a lady who discovered years after the fact that the
drunk who claimed to be her son's father - and who had visitation - was not
related to the boy at all.  The judge refused to terminate the drunk's "parental
rights" saying that the "boy needs a father."  Even a
drunken b*st*rd that beats
the snot out of him every other weekend, apparently.  The boy's *real* father
*offered* to provide child support and parental supervision (even though he had
since married and had a family of his own, and he *voluntarily* underwent genetic
testing to insure he was in fact the boy's biological father) when he found out he
had a son - who was 15 at the time.  At the time the lady also had a steady boy
friend that had 2 sons of his own (the oldest was a year younger than her son) and
who provided a far better example (adult male figure) than that drunk.  Yet the judge
sided with the drunk child beater, go figure.

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