*** Quoting Roy Witt from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

 CS> 5,000 nodes?

RW> That's the problem. We don't know how many there are. Just because the
RW> nodelist count is that high, doesn't mean there are that many there.

 CS> If Russia has a probem being 'heard' due to shere innacurate nodelist
 CS> numbers, then they need to clean up their segment.

RW> See above.

 CS> I doubt seriously that the mess is that bad that 310 people are a
 CS> 'majority' there.

RW> I do. If the apathy that's apparent in the rest of Fidonet is the same
RW> their region, it's not only possible, but reasonable to assume.

In that case if apathy is that high, we cant move them at all.  We'd lose
most ¨of them.

 CS> Remember I've been chatting with various people there for 15 years or
 CS> more and over time have asked many questions on 'how things work'.

RW> Maybe those aren't the people to talk to about it.

Over 15 years, believe me the chatter has been about all sorts of topics
and ¨certainly wouldnt have included anything about Z6 .

 CS> on as little as local echo ruckus and you would have been history
 CS> really fast there.

RW> No doubt an influence put upon them by their ZC, who went outside of
RW> policy to excommunicate an individual who caused the same problems in
RW> Germany. No technical reasons, just social, no political reasons.

No, those 2 cases I have in mind were excommed by NC's in R50 ad upheld by
¨RC50.  Ward had nothing to do with them.


RW> Remember Brent Hamm? He was excommed and never left Fidonet even for o
RW> day. I know how those ropes work too. I'd certainly be willing to teac
RW> them to those two R50 sysops.

You dont need to.  They found alternatives all on their own.
                                       xxcarol

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