JT> 
JT> Seriously, if you can't pass the "standard" here in 
JT> Illinois, you have got
JT> to be blind in one eye, very near sighted in the 
JD> other, and have a grip on
JT> your gun like mother theresa, shaking like a tree limb in a hurricane.
JT> it's pathetic.
 JD> Jeff,
 JD> Are you saying that those that are possessed of those 
 JD> qualities do not have 
 JD> the right to the use of deadly force in self defense? I would like to 
see 
 JD> everybody trained to the hilt, but the fact of the matter is that we (or 
 JD> the government, or anybody else) do not have the right to disarm anybody 
 JD> based upon competence (excepting the mental variety).  The law does not 
I'm talking about police officers in Illinois, not the citizens.
jeff
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