On 4/09/2016 7:52 AM, Alan Ianson -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> Until you can present some logical argument as to why non sysops
 DD>> should be excluded from the chat echoes FN_SYSOP and FIDO_SYSOP I
 DD>> guess I have nothing further to discuss. Anonymous access to the
 DD>> echoes remains at my system.

 AI> I have never argued that non sysops should be excluded at all. That
 AI> would be ridiculous.

See your next paragraph. It sure reads that you wish to exclude them from those
two chat echoes.

 AI> Just in the case of the FN_SYSOP and FIDO_SYSOP. It is and always has
 AI> been stated plainly that those echoes are for sysops only.

No it has NOT always been. Bj”rn's rules merely stated that postings should be
by sysops - his rules do not deny read access to non-sysops - both for FN_SYSOP
and for FIDO_SYSOP.

 AI> It is where we chat amongst ourselves.

What is so special about our chatter that non-sysops should be denied seeing
it? Are we superior to those mere non-sysops?

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elitist - adjective - (of a person or class of persons) considered superior by
others or by themselves, as in intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position in
society.

snob
[snob]  - noun - 1. a person who imitates, cultivates, or slavishly admires
social superiors and is condescending or overbearing to others.

2. a person who believes himself or herself an expert or connoisseur in a given
field and is condescending toward or disdainful of those who hold other
opinions or have different tastes regarding this field:
a musical snob.
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 AI> That is the detail that you seem to be missing. I am not asking you how
 AI> your system is configured or telling you how it should be done. I am
 AI> just asking you to consider that one detail.

I have considered the detail you mention and cannot see any practical reason
for it. I fail to see how your "one detail" improves our network or enhances
its reason for being (chatting among interested parties).

I consider that one detail adds nothing to Fidonet and its communication. That
one detail is null and void.

As for mentioning the settings at my system - I must include that rider - I
have no say in the set-up/access rights at your system - just as you have none
at mine.

Have a nice day.
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Regards
David

E&OE

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