Hello Dale.

04 May 06 22:39, you wrote to me:

 MVDV>> Culminating in the last failed attempt for a P4 change. We
 MVDV>> were *that* close to getting enough RC's together to pull
 MVDV>> it off and then the Z1 gang had it derailed. They just
 MVDV>> could not accept Ward getting credit for that.

 DS>   You are distorting what happened and putting your own spin on it.
 DS> You claim that the "Z1 gang" had it derailed.

read all of what I wrote: I was also referring to those in Z1 who could not
accept that they do not call the shoyts any more in the same paragraph.

 DS>    What about the "Z1 gang" that got it started, that saw
it through
 DS> the stages preparing it for presentation, and convincing Ward to try
 DS> to get the RCs to vote on it

That was not a gang, let alone the "Z1 gang consisting of thos ethat
could not accept they do not call the shots any more".

 DS>   While I'll easily grant you that there where folks in Z1 who fought
 DS>   against the proposal, there were also folks in other zones who did
 DS> so and perhaps equally contributed to the final outcome.

I amn not referring to those. Yes, in the two years that it took to come to
a presantable pproposal there were  folks who opposed it. From all zones.
The partcipated in the duscussion, compromises were made, etc, etc.

I am not referring to them. The ones I am referring to did not partake in
all that. *They* only came in when Ward had gathered enough RCs to start a
vote. *They* weren't interested in the proposal as such, all *they* wanted
was to get at Ward.

And some of those very same guys from Z1 are now here to rock the boat again.


Michiel

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