SH>>  EH> Good grief, you are a lost cause.

SH>>MG> In another attempt to get back on topic for this thread:

SH>>MG> The Shield of Achilles: "Why aren't they angry about the people
SH>>MG> doing the killing?"

SH>>It has become chic for the mainstream press to hate Israel.  The NYT
SH>>leads the way, and the goddam thing is owned by Jews.

 JB> The Jewish community needs to wake up and abandon the
 JB> democratic party.

 Did a recent google search on support for Israel. Many sources,
 many in Israel. Did it after reading that article I cited as
 showing American Jews and Arabs generally agree on how the
 Israli/Palestinian problems should be solved.

 The general consensus was that before LBJ support for Isreal was
 tepid in the US govt. With JFK it started to increase, but LBJ
 was the real mover on that. Haretz interviewed a former envoy to
 the US on the subject, and he rated LBJ as the best supporter of
 Isreal of any president. He did so because not only was LBJ a
 great supporter, but he supported Israel against a lot of
 political opposition.

 Conservatives have been the long time opposition to Israel, and
 that turned around mainly with the Religious right. However,
 those who trumpet the support seem to forget, the extreme
 religious right supports Israel mostly because they believe this
 will lead to the conversion of most Jews, and the remainder will
 die. Part of their last days philosophy.

 Of all the presidents, Eisenhower was ranked low, much to my
 surprise GHW Bush was ranked low. GW Bush has been ranked as
 practically ignoring Israel. It used to be said, the road to
 peace in the Middle East runs through Israel. It seems, to the
 Bush administration, the road through Isreal leads nowhere.

 No American politician of any significance offers any opposition
 to Israel at all, or even fails to vigorously support Israel.
 The realistic politicians recognize that some of Israel's
 problems are due to some of their own mistakes. Many Israelis
 feel the occupation of the Palestinian areas was one big
 mistake. It has bled the Isreali military and the Israeli
 treasury. Many blame the inability of the Israeli militiary to
 win in the Lebanon incursion on that bleeding.

 In the real world the demcratic party is far more Israeli's hope
 than the Republican party ever was or is likely to be.


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