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to: Roy J. Tellason
from: Leonard Erickson
date: 2003-07-05 19:39:04
subject: exploding CDs

-=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Leonard Erickson <=-

 RJT> Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:
 
 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Phil Marlowe <=-
 
 RJT> Phil Marlowe wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:
 LE>  
 PM> With the prices of some of them, they should be recorded on gold. 
 PM> Looked at a 6 CD set of Lester Young in a store last month -- 
 PM> supposedly on sale -- and I thought: Hey, just what I need -- til I
 PM> turned it around and saw the price tag -- $219.99.
 
 RJT> Heh.  I've seen some which were more than that.  We were in a
 RJT> bookstore the other day,  and my granddaughter noticed that one shelf
 RJT> in the music/video section had glass in front of it.  You needed to
 RJT> get a clerk to open that one up for you.  I think the price you
 RJT> mention is about the lowest of what was in there,  some of the stuff
 RJT> was over $300!  I'm not that much of a fan of any of those tv shows or
 RJT> whatever that I'd pay that kind of money,  unless I had *way* more on
 RJT> hand than I needed...
 
 LE> Well, I paid that sort of money, but it was for a set of DVDs. The
 LE> entire run of The Avengers. Well, the years that had Emma Peel. 16
 LE> DVDs.. 

 RJT> These were DVDs as well,  I can't recall how many in a box,  but
 RJT> typically a whole season or maybe several in one box. 

Well, the set I've got has a bunch of "DVD boxes" in a larger box that
takes up about 18" inches of shelf space. :-)

 LE> Remember DIVX? The "pay per viewing" DVD-like gizmo? When you 
 LE> bought a disk, you got some number of "free" viewings. But only on 
 LE> *your* machine. Try playing it on a friend's and you had to use a 
 LE> credit card to pay for it and "authorize" it.

 RJT> Crap.
 
 LE> And when your "free" viewings ran out on your machine, you had to
 LE> buy more. 
 
 LE> They've got similar schemes they'd like folks to buy into for
 LE> downloaded music. 
 
 LE> Basicly, they want you to have to pay for every use. 

 RJT> Yeah,  well.  They can keep it at all they like with these silly
 RJT> attempts,  and if they even come close to implementing something that
 RJT> starts to look like it'll work there will be ways around it all over
 RJT> the 'net,  in real short order.

And, until and unless DNCA and "son of DMCA" (which hasn't passed
*yet*) get thrown out, they'll be able to sue you for having those up
on your web site. Also, they are trying (and succeeding, all too often)
to get the hardware required to not *allow* playing such games.

That's why I want to no part of MS's planned successor to XP (or even
XP for that matter). 

I'm thinking about a laptop, but it'll have to be one that I can get
from the factory with Linux rather than XP!!

 RJT> Things are changing,  thanks to the technology we all love,  and the
 RJT> folks who run record companies and similar outfits are gonna have to
 RJT> learn how to deal with it. 

Yeah, but their preferred method of "dealinhg with it" is to get laws
passed that take away "fair use" rights. 

 RJT> Seen any legislation supporting the "rights" of buggy-whip makers
 RJT> lately? 

Nope, but there's lots and lots trying to make it illegal to copy
stuff. Or to access it in ways that the media folks don't like. 

Heck, if they had their way, it'd be illegal to sell used CDs and DVDs!


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