On 3/09/2016 4:08 PM, Janis Kracht -> David Drummond wrote:
 >> We have rules and laws today for the betterment of EVERYBODY.
 >> Excluding some from chat echoes does not do that.

 JK> Nobody is talking about excluding anyone from chat echos.

FN_SYSOP and FIDO_SYSOP are chat echoes. Nothing more. Anything is on topic.

 JK> If one is not a sysop however, one should not be posting or reading a
 JK> sysop echo. Makes sense to me...

WHY should they not be accessing? What is chatted about there there that is so
special that one needs to be a sysop to witness it? Are you so ashamed of your
behaviour in those echoes that you would want your users to see what sort of
person you really are?

 >> The only rules needed in Fidonet are the technical specs that allow our
system
 >> to connect to each other and transact mail. All else is power mongering.

 JK> There's your problem.

I do not have a problem with those rules - without those specs our systems
wouldn't communicate.

I don't really have a problem with the power mongering - I simply ignore it
when it comes to my system. It's the people trying to shove it down my throat
that sticks in my craw.

 JK> Echomail is not a part Fidonet. It's outside fidonet, these days you might
call it an "addon".  People can get a node
 JK> number by just passing a netmail to his NC/RC whoever with no echomail
setup at all.

Without echo mail Fidonet is nothing. The sole purpose of Fidonet is to
transact mail between nodes.

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Regards
David

E&OE

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