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   Now you are changing your tune.  No competition is prevented or even =
limited in your description.  In fact, given your asserted personal =
preferences competitors would be better regarded by you if they didn't =
try to copy Microsoft innovations in the ribbon UI.  It might even be =
good for folks like the openoffice guys to try something other than a =
clone of the Microsoft Office UI.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45948dd6{at}w3.nls.net...
  You think the ribbon restriction that says direct office competitors =
can't=20
  use it is not anticompetitive, sort of like if Apple said everyone but =
MS=20
  can use the trashcan, didn't MS sue over that look and feel thing =
claiming=20
  it was anticompetitive? Funny how the tables turn and suddenly MS sees =
it in=20
  a different light, no?

  I like words with my icons since it's replacing File/Edit/View which =
is a=20
  word based menu.

  mrd.

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:4594792b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     Are you saying that all Office 2007 competitors disappeared by some =

  magical means?  I still see people talking about them.  Is this some =
other=20
  reality to which you refer?

     As your contrived screen shot, in your attempts to be deceptive you =

  already found the way to grow the toolbar size so you could use the =
same=20
  mechanism to shrink it.  It's the same as present in earlier versions =
of IE.

     I think you are lying to yourself with your own car analogy.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:459364a1{at}w3.nls.net...
    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45934db9{at}w3.nls.net...
    >>   How does IE changing the menus prevent competition?

    The ribbon thing prevents competition. The IE thing is just =
annoying.

    >>   Why do you claim it doesn't make things better?  It saves space
    >> allowing for more

    No it doesn't. It sucks up space and cramps the tabs so you can't =
even=20
  read
    the titles. See attached, THAT is why I want to turn it off, I want =
that
    space back for tabs. Also in the attached image, compare the size of
    File/Edit/View to the Home/Feeds/Print menu and tell me which uses =
more
    space.

    >>   Are you really so change adverse?  You keep using cars as an =
example=20
  so
    >> let's use them.  What do you do with the tens or hundreds of =
things=20
  that
    >> differ from model to model and year to year such as the location =
and=20
  use
    >> of controls for headlights, windshield wipers, gas cap, trunk, =
radio,
    >> heating, air conditioning, CD players, glove box, cup holders, =
seats,
    >> windows, locks, etc.  You get the idea.  If you can deal with any =
of=20
  this
    >> I am shocked that you have so much difficulty with the small =
change in
    >> the menus.<<

    But that's the point, I'm not change adverse, I don't care if they =
move=20
  the
    CD player, I do care if they move the drivers seat to the right side
    though.. There are some things that should not change in order to =
provide
    consistency so users don't have to fumble around trying to learn how =
to=20
  use
    a computer all over again or learning how to drive all over again.
    File/Edit/View is one such thing, it is definitely not some "small=20
  change",
    it's the gas, brake, and steering wheel.

    Geo.

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   Now you
are changing your =
tune. =20
No competition is prevented or even limited in your description. 
= In fact,=20
given your asserted personal preferences competitors would be better = regarded by=20
you if they didn't try to copy Microsoft innovations in the ribbon =
UI.  It=20
might even be good for folks like the openoffice guys to try something = other=20
than a clone of the Microsoft Office UI.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45948dd6{at}w3.nls.net...Yo=
u think=20
  the ribbon restriction that says direct office competitors can't =
use it is=20
  not anticompetitive, sort of like if Apple said everyone but MS =
can use=20
  the trashcan, didn't MS sue over that look and feel thing claiming =
it was=20
  anticompetitive? Funny how the tables turn and suddenly MS sees it in =
a=20
  different light, no?I like words with my icons since it's =
replacing=20
  File/Edit/View which is a word based=20
 
menu.mrd.Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message =
news:4594792b$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
  Are you saying that all Office 2007 competitors disappeared by some=20
  magical means?  I still see people talking about
them.  =
Is this=20
  some other reality to which you
refer?   As your =

  contrived screen shot, in your attempts to be deceptive you =
already found=20
  the way to grow the toolbar size so you could use the same =
mechanism to=20
  shrink it.  It's the same as present in earlier versions of=20
  IE.   I think you are lying to
yourself with your =
own car=20
  analogy.Rich 
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:459364a1{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:45934db9{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
  >>   How does IE changing the menus prevent=20
  competition?  The ribbon thing prevents
competition. The =
IE thing=20
  is just annoying. 
>>   Why do you claim =
it=20
  doesn't make things better?  It saves space 
>> =
allowing=20
  for more  No it doesn't. It sucks up space
and cramps the =
tabs so=20
  you can't even read  the titles. See
attached, THAT is =
why I want=20
  to turn it off, I want that  space back for tabs. Also in the =

  attached image, compare the size of  File/Edit/View to the=20
  Home/Feeds/Print menu and tell me which uses more =20
  space.  >>  
Are you really so change=20
  adverse?  You keep using cars as an example
so  =
>>=20
  let's use them.  What do you do with the tens or hundreds of =
things=20
  that  >> differ from model to
model and year to =
year such=20
  as the location and use  >> of
controls for =
headlights,=20
  windshield wipers, gas cap, trunk, radio, 
>> heating, =
air=20
  conditioning, CD players, glove box, cup holders, seats,  =
>>=20
  windows, locks, etc.  You get the idea.  If you can deal =
with any of=20
  this  >> I am shocked that you
have so much =
difficulty with=20
  the small change in  >> the =
menus.<<  But=20
  that's the point, I'm not change adverse, I don't care if they move=20
  the  CD player, I do care if they move the
drivers seat =
to the=20
  right side  though.. There are some things that should not =
change in=20
  order to provide  consistency so users don't have to fumble =
around=20
  trying to learn how to use  a computer all
over again or =
learning=20
  how to drive all over again.  File/Edit/View is one such =
thing, it is=20
  definitely not some "small
change",  it's the gas, brake, =
and=20
  steering wheel. 
Geo.

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