From: John Tserkezis 
Reply-To: Fidonet AVtech Echo 

Bob Lawrence wrote:

>  The *new* system is farming out CentreLink to private Job Agencies,
> and these hook you up to a shambles called JobSearch (.gov.au). The
> idea is that they give you a home page on the Net, with your CV and
> what you want, and they list the hits. You call in every day, and
> seehow many hits you got. Then you apply for the job and stop bludging
> on Johnny Fucking Arsewipe.

  As Dr Phil would say, how's that working for them?

>  BTW, to get the NewStart Allowance (they call it an allowance) you
> have to swear in blood that you're looking for a job. Oddly, they
> don't ask if you actually *want* a job. All you have to do is look.

  All you need is proof that you've actually sent an application, names and 
phone numbers of the persons at the relavant company you have allegedly applied 
to.  You can pretty much call anyone, tell them to get fucked, send your resume 
even if they don't want it, and ask their names (although maybe not in that 
particular order).

> Presumably, if anyone wants a 63-year-old out-of-date engineer with
> heart disease, then I'll get a hit on my hoem page, but so far
> zilch...

  Funny thing is, you may just get a job.  Sure as hell not through the 
jobsearch system though- only losers apply through there.

>  But that's what got me thinking.
> 
>  the Centrelink jobsearch network is fucking useless. jobnet.com.au
> is pretty good, followed by seek.com.au, but they keep proliferating.

  They're all fucking useless.  And that's putting it nicely.  We've already 
discussed this.  They hook in as many employers as they can by attracting them 
the to the prospective "employees" they have on record.  They get
paid by the 
employers, not the employees, so it makes sense they get as many as they can.

  They are likely to find some employee, as with that many people looking for 
work, they are likely to come across at least _someone_ who fits.

>  There is not one, but many, job-search sites on the Net, each of
> them making money out of the jobs found *through* them, and as more
> appear each have fewer jobs and access to fewer seekers. It seems to
> me that things have switched around. Once, you bought the Herald and
> searched for a job, now the *employer* buys one of these recruiters
> and *they* search for an employee... using the C-V you provide.

  It's been like that for a while.  Employers are commisioning the larger scale 
screening to the employment angencies, and do the final screening themselves. 
Problem is you only get monkeys like that, sure, the best of the monkeys, but 
still monkeys.  Worst still, highly skilled labour doesn't exist on the 
government networks, people who can get jobs, generally don't go on the dole, 
or at least don't hang around the queue for long enough to be a statistic.

> If that's the case, your C-V is worth money, and I suspect, is covered by
> copyright too.

  Never thought of it that way, but if I'm right, they never look at it anyway. 
  I've been to countless interviews where they didn't even look at it.  Even 
managed to get a few jobs where they didn't even _read_ it. (Found this out 
when one employer didn't know I ran a BBS, I said it was in my resume, you 
couldn't have missed it.  They said they don't read all of them.  I said I GOT 
the job, they MUST have read it.  Alas, it doesn't work that way.

>  It *has* to end up with just one job-network with all jobs (and
> seekers) registered there. Otherwise, they'll be pirating each other's
> C-Vs. The C-V is what makes them their money... they take a percentage
> of the actual job's salary, once filled.

  I think there is some policy that the applicant has to stay with them for 
some time before the headhunters get paid, to prevent job jumpers from getting 
the headhunters an inpropotional amount of money.
  This opens it to competition, that is, the headhunters are inclined to find 
permanents (or correct short-term contract candidates) the first time, that 
way, the employers are more likely to return the next time they look for people.

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