BK>SH>>  EH> Good grief, you are a lost cause.

BK>SH>>MG> In another attempt to get back on topic for this thread:

BK>SH>>MG> The Shield of Achilles: "Why aren't they angry about the
BK>SH>>MG> people doing the killing?"

BK>SH>>It has become chic for the mainstream press to hate Israel.  The
BK>SH>>NYT leads the way, and the goddam thing is owned by Jews.

BK> JB> The Jewish community needs to wake up and abandon the
BK> JB> democratic party.

BK> Did a recent google search on support for Israel. Many sources,
BK> many in Israel. Did it after reading that article I cited as
BK> showing American Jews and Arabs generally agree on how the
BK> Israli/Palestinian problems should be solved.

BK> The general consensus was that before LBJ support for Isreal was
BK> tepid in the US govt. With JFK it started to increase, but LBJ
BK> was the real mover on that. Haretz interviewed a former envoy to
BK> the US on the subject, and he rated LBJ as the best supporter of
BK> Isreal of any president. He did so because not only was LBJ a
BK> great supporter, but he supported Israel against a lot of
BK> political opposition.

BK> Conservatives have been the long time opposition to Israel, and
BK> that turned around mainly with the Religious right. However,
BK> those who trumpet the support seem to forget, the extreme
BK> religious right supports Israel mostly because they believe this
BK> will lead to the conversion of most Jews, and the remainder will
BK> die. Part of their last days philosophy.

BK> Of all the presidents, Eisenhower was ranked low, much to my
BK> surprise GHW Bush was ranked low. GW Bush has been ranked as
BK> practically ignoring Israel. It used to be said, the road to
BK> peace in the Middle East runs through Israel. It seems, to the
BK> Bush administration, the road through Isreal leads nowhere.

BK> No American politician of any significance offers any opposition
BK> to Israel at all, or even fails to vigorously support Israel.
BK> The realistic politicians recognize that some of Israel's
BK> problems are due to some of their own mistakes. Many Israelis
BK> feel the occupation of the Palestinian areas was one big
BK> mistake. It has bled the Isreali military and the Israeli
BK> treasury. Many blame the inability of the Israeli militiary to
BK> win in the Lebanon incursion on that bleeding.

BK> In the real world the demcratic party is far more Israeli's hope
BK> than the Republican party ever was or is likely to be.

You keep believing this.


Jeff


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