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to: Rich Gauszka
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date: 2006-12-29 15:04:00
subject: Re: Vista tilt bit?

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   Of course because there are many from the slashdot editors on down =
that will post anything anti-Microsoft or agree with such without regard = to
the truth or silliness.  Aside from the fact that he claims are all =
unsupported and he appears to have never used Vista, he doesn't appear = to
care that the claims are fiction.  Look at his first claim

  Say you've just bought Pink Floyd's "The Dark Side of the Moon", =
released as a
  Super Audio CD (SACD) in its 30th anniversary edition in 2003, and you =
want to
  play it under Vista.  Since the S/PDIF link to your amplifier/speakers =
is
  regarded as insecure, Vista disables it, and you end up hearing a =
performance
  by Marcel Marceau instead of Pink Floyd.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD "The HD layer = of an
SACD disc cannot be played back on computer CD/DVD drives".  Let's = ignore
that and assume that gutman isn't making stuff up to support his = prejudice
and assume there are some SACD players for PC's though I've = never seen one
and couldn't find one in a search a few minutes ago.  = SACDs wouldn't require
output restrictions any more than CDs do because = restrictions aren't part of
the format like they are for HDDVD or = Blu-ray.  Also, I'm not sure you can
use S/PDIF output from any SACD = player.  According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD "SACD = players are not permitted
to digitally output an unencrypted stream of = DSD. Players initially supported
only analog output; later some = proprietary digital interfaces such as Denon
Link permitted encrypted = transmission of DSD. There are now two standard
digital connection = methods capable of carrying DSD in encrypted form: i.Link
and HDMI = (version 1.2 or later, standardised in August 2005)."  Probably
gutman = isn't making this up too.

This is his first example.  I think the quality of his examples goes = further
downhill as he continues.

Rich





  "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:45957d71{at}w3.nls.net...
  yet there are others who see differently even on Slashdot

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45957597$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       The gutman guys drivel was so silly and false that even folks on =
slashdot mocked it.  the register's credibility has long been lacking.

    Rich

      "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:4594a70f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      Gutman:  "If I do ever want to play back premium content," he =
wrote, "I'll=20
      wait a few years and then buy a $50 Chinese-made set-top player to =
do it,=20
      not a $1000 Windows PC. It's somewhat bizarre that I have to go to =
Communist=20
      China in order to find vendors who actually understand the =
consumer's=20
      needs."

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/28/vista_drm_analysis/


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   Of course
because there =
are many from=20
the slashdot editors on down that will post anything anti-Microsoft or =
agree=20
with such without regard to the truth or silliness.  Aside from the =
fact=20
that he claims are all unsupported and he appears to have never used = Vista,
he=20
doesn't appear to care that the claims are fiction.  Look at his =
first=20
claim
 

  Say you've just bought Pink Floyd's
"The Dark =
Side of=20
  the Moon", released as aSuper Audio CD (SACD) in its 30th =
anniversary=20
  edition in 2003, and you want toplay it under Vista.  Since =
the=20
  S/PDIF link to your amplifier/speakers isregarded as insecure, =
Vista=20
  disables it, and you end up hearing a performanceby Marcel Marceau =
instead=20
  of Pink Floyd.
According to  "The" target="new">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD "The
HD = layer
of an=20
SACD disc cannot be played back on computer CD/DVD drives".  Let's =
ignore=20
that and assume that gutman isn't making stuff up to support his =
prejudice=20
and assume there are some SACD players for PC's though I've never seen = one
and=20
couldn't find one in a search a few minutes ago.  SACDs wouldn't =
require=20
output restrictions any more than CDs do because restrictions aren't = part of
the=20
format like they are for HDDVD or Blu-ray.  Also, I'm not sure you = can
use=20
S/PDIF output from any SACD player.  According to http://en.wikipedia" target="new">http://en.wikipedia.=">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD">http://en.wikipedia.=
org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD "SACD=20
players are not permitted to digitally output an unencrypted stream of =
DSD.=20
Players initially supported only analog output; later some proprietary =
digital=20
interfaces such as Denon Link permitted encrypted transmission of DSD. = There
are=20
now two standard digital connection methods capable of carrying DSD in =
encrypted=20
form: i.Link and HDMI (version 1.2 or later, standardised in August=20
2005)."  Probably gutman isn't making this up
too.
 
This is his first example.  I =
think the=20
quality of his examples goes further downhill as he =
continues.
 
Rich
 
 
 
 
 
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.commailto:gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com A>>=20 wrote in message news:45957d71{at}w3.nls.net... yet there are others who see = differently even on=20 Slashdot
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:45957597$1{at}w3.nls.net... The gutman guys drivel = was so=20 silly and false that even folks on slashdot mocked it. = the=20 register's credibility has long been lacking. Rich "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.commailto:gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com A>>=20 wrote in message news:4594a70f$1{at}w3.nls.net...Gutman: =20 "If I do ever want to play back premium content," he wrote, "I'll = wait=20 a few years and then buy a $50 Chinese-made set-top player to do = it,=20 not a $1000 Windows PC. It's somewhat bizarre that I have to = go to=20 Communist China in order to find vendors who actually = understand the=20 consumer's needs."http=">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/28/vista_drm_analysis/">http= ://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/28/vista_drm_analysis/ ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C72B5A.AE409EB0-- --- BBBS/NT v4.01 Flag-5
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