"Jeffrey Kaplan"  wrote in message
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> It is alleged that Dennis (Icarus) claimed:
>
> > > Sending B4 to the past doesn't prevent B5 from being destroyed by the
> > > Shadows, it only bought time needed by Sheridan et al to figure it
out.
> > > If Sheridan didn't go to Z'Ha'Dum, he would not have learned what he
> > > needed to learn, both from Justin and from Lorien, to end the Shadow
> > > Wars once and for all, and eventually they would have destroyed B5.
> >
> > Well, her message from the future was dated only a few days after the
time
> > when Sinclair returned to the station.
>
> Note that I said that the taking of B4 bought them time.  If Sheridan
> didn't go to Z, the B5 station would still have been destroyed
> eventually in the Shadow War, just later on.

We don't know that. It may be probable, but we don't know that.

>
> > Since Sheridan went to Z'ha'dum some time after that, its pretty clear
to me
> > that the timeline involving Ivanova's message didn't happen.
>
> That specific variation, yes.  Sheridan going to Z'Ha'Dum was another
> nexus point.  If he failed to go, or simply failed, then the war would
> have continued.  We saw that there was no way, really, for the Younger
> Races to stand up and beat the Shadows or the Vorlons in a full-scale
> war.  They were destroying entire PLANETS!

Yep, they were. That could have caused Lorien to act and get 'em to pull
back.
We don't know. :-)

>
> > The Minbari, using B4 as a base, were able to weaken the Shadows
> > sufficiently, such that they were not ready to attack B5 at the time of
> > Ivanova's message.
>
> Correct.  Because they retained a larger portion of their strength.
> With B4 as a base, the Minbari were able to weaken them so that they
> had to take longer to rebuild their strength this time around.  That's
> all, it made them take longer this time, it +prevented+ nothing.
>

Sure it did. B5 was not destroyed at the time of Ivanova's message.
Survived quite a bit past that. We can guess, but we can't say B5 would have
been destroyed.
Its possible, probable, maybe even likely, but we don't know.

> > So it is theoretically, speculatively, possible that B5 might survive
this
> > iteration of the Shadow war cycle, presuming the Vorlons don't destroy
it
> > either.
>
> B5 was fully on the Vorlon side up to the time Sheridan got back from
> Z'Ha'Dum.  If either side were to destroy the station, it would have
> been the Shadows.
>

Or the Vorlons, because after all B5 had been touched by Shadows as well. If
Morden or another of his associates were visiting.....
(after all, if we presume Shereidan failed, we can presume that Londo didn't
have Morden executed in this alternate view)
Didn't seem like they cared too much whether there was just one person or a
bunch.

Dennis


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