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HT>Well, they could start by publishing the final form of the bills before
HT>they are voted on, say 14 days before.  If they want to change it, that's
HT>fine, they have to make the changes, and then publish the entire thing
HT>again, and wait another 14 days.
        Not a bad idea. Let them have a waiting period *for*
        legislation, instead of the other way round. EP
HT>But since a bare majority in either house can split a bill into parts,
HT>there's little need for such.  They don't need to be made to do things
HT>properly, because they can.  They need to *want to do them this way --
HT>and then it wouldn't matter if they did or not!
        That's the key. If they want to, any rules will do. If they
        don't want to, no rule is good enough to stop them.
        Responsibility and self discipline goes a long way. Ernie P.
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NP>EP>GP>What we have here is evidence that agents of the US gov't blew up
NP>EP>GP>both these buildings & killed all those people.  Now this was
NP>EP>GP>Klinton/Reno's excuse for the Terror Bill, that NRA supported.
NP>EP>        I think you're wrong on both counts; but lets wait until the
NP>EP>        facts come out to pass judgement. EP
NP>I *know* he's right on the second account.  The NRA's been quite vocal
NP>in the American Hunter about supporting the Terrorist Bill and making it
NP>law.  Complete with implications that "real americans" support it, and
NP>if you don't, you're evil, stupid, anti-american, etc.
NP>The facts *are* out, judgment stands.  The NRA *IS* guilty.
        I meant I thought he was wrong about the government blowing up
        those buildings. And I still do. As to anyone implicating that
        those who disagree with them are "evil, stupid, anti-American,
        etc.,."; I disagree with your statement. The NRA didn't use
        those words. They have been used, right around here in fact, but
        the NRA didn't use them. Now where did I hear someone indicating
        those not agreeing with them are any of those things???? EP
NP>EP>        I think we're going to have to ATD on this one. I don't
NP>EP>        believe the government is actively burning churches, and I'm
NP>EP>        not a believer in the "big plot" theories. We have a
NP>EP>        government on the edge of going out of control; but they're
NP>EP>        not socialist conspirators. It's just the nature of the beast
NP>EP>        that it requires being taught to heel occasionally. Ernie P.
NP>Not socialist conspirators?  How would you explain the US government
NP>decisions to put back a neck-tieing dictator in Haiti?  How would you
NP>explain the attempted 1983 meeting on board the USS John F. Kennedy with
NP>Idi Amein (sp) to "reestablish diplomatic relations" as well as to
NP>possibly place him back in power?  How would you explain the bay of pigs
NP>down in Cuba?
NP>How especially would you explain the continuous and ever expanding role
NP>of government in our personal lives?  Where your property isn't
NP>necessarily your property anymore if the EPA, DOT, USFW or any of
NP>several others decide they know better then you about your yard?  The
NP>ever tightening of gun control laws?  Laws being made when the majority
NP>oppose the bill?  Mandated health care laws, mandated family leave act,
NP>the disabilities act, the decency act?
NP>If that isn't socialistic, just what on earth do you think socialism is?
NP>---
        I agree the U.S. government, and our society, is far too
        socialistic for my taste. That doesn't mean I believe there's
        some grand conspiracy being played out by dark forces intent on
        world domination. The answer to your question is the guy next to
        you in the street; who is convinced he can get something more
        from the government than whatever he pays in. It isn't a
        conspiracy, Nolan; it's simple greed. Ernie P.
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