10 May 06 12:23, Vladimir Donskoy wrote to Roy Witt:

 VD> Hi Roy!

 VD> Saturday May 06 2006, Roy Witt wrote to Vladimir Donskoy:

 VD>>>>>>> To doubt... We have no this right. But I
think that IC
 VD>>>>>>> (Malkolm) can make it.

 MV>>>>>> Forget about the IC. The IC has no power, your
friends in Z1 saw
 MV>>>>>> to that.

 VD>>>>> He have formal right,

 MV>>>> No he does not. The IC does not have the power or the right to
 MV>>>> order a ZC election.

 VD>>> At 1.2.7 Policy he can make elections. What
"elections" if not ZC?

 RW>> Read on; arranging the announcement of referenda (policy change
 RW>> proposals), the collection and counting of ballots (ZC or RC), amd
 RW>> announcing the results for those issues that affect Fidonet as a
 RW>> whole.

 RW>> What affects Fidonet as a whole, would be policy changes, or policy
 RW>> complaint decisisions that would affect all of the sysops of
 RW>> Fidonet.

 VD> This are variants of "selections" not
"elections". Repeat - what
 VD> "elections"?

There are no elections in Fidonet policy, save for policy changes.

 RW>> See Vlist v Witt - IC versus ZCC decision, c2004?

 VD> I have no this materials. But now I see - you agree with Michael
 VD> Vlist...

LOL! No, there has been very few times that I would agree with someone of
Vlist's nature. You will have this information in the very near future.

You can draw your own conclusions of the nature of Vlist and Dossche from
it.

 VD>>>>>  and I think that his opinion have weight in ZCC.
 MV>>>> No more that any of the other ZCs and the ZCC does not have the
 MV>>>> power t call for a ZC election either.
 VD>>>>> So - he can start  procedure ZC election (by Policy
1.2.7 it is
 VD>>>>> his right).
 MV>>>> No. A ZC is selected by the RCs in the zone (P4 1.2.5)

 VD>>> Yes, "selected" by RCs. I speak about initiation
(start) of this
 VD>>> procedure.

 RW>> There is nothing in policy that mandates that any *C stand for
 RW>> election. Therefore, the only person who can start (initiate) an
 RW>> election is that *C.

 VD> So - if he not want - elections abandom (absent) and he is
 VD> "constantly ZC"?

Yes. ZC or "*C for life", is how it's been described in the past.

 VD> And RCC have no voices - for starting of elections need
"start" only
 VD> from ZC...

No. T RCC can put a ZC on trial (impeach) and remove the ZC. Who is then
replaced by election or selection among themselves, per policy. Or, they
could replace the ZC with anyone else, but that's highly unlikely.


Roy
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