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-=> MICHAEL LOO wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

 >  ML> But in fact any unadulterated grape wine
 >  ML> could be used in a Roman sacrament and
 >  ML> likely most others. One might have a hard
 >  ML> time justifying a tax exemption for
 >  ML> something really delicious, though.
 > Don't understand that. The wine is adulterated (watered) before being
 > administered to communicants - with "holy" water .... that is - tap
 > water that has had some words mumbled over it.

 ML> In the Catholic ceremonies I was familiar
 ML> with, wine was fed to the adherents only
 ML> on rare occasions if at all. I recall
 ML> Methodists, oddly, doing the real thing,
 ML> with some northern Baptist congregation
 ML> I encountered in Washington going through
 ML> the motions with fake wine (my grandmother
 ML> did a fair amount of religion shopping and
 ML> sometimes took her daughter and me with
 ML> her - she ended up being Adventist but not
 ML> vegetarian).

Mackeral snappers (Roman and Anglican) were every Sunday. Lutherans -
once a month. Baptists (in my area) were teetotallers. Presbyterians,
once a month. Methodists - first Sunday of the month. All mixed 50 - 50
w/water. Only the Methodists used individual cups for the sacramental
wine mix. All the others did a single chalice. Before I gave up on belief
in a supreme being as defined by man I made extensive surveys and many
readings.
 
 ML> As far as dilution goes, the wine has to be
 ML> full strength before it gets used in the
 ML> ritual (that doesn't say it actually always
 ML> was). I don't recall whether the watering is
 ML> an essential part of the procedure or just
 ML> incidental to the handwashing thing.

The water is essential. The handwashing water is *not* the water that
winds up in the wine chalice. Been there, done that. 

I fear this may be skating close to the strictures in the echo rules
about religion. Not wantiong to raise the hackles of the moderator I 
am going to "dummy up".
 
 >  >       Title: Episcopal Stuffed Pork Chops
 >  > ... The greatest American superstition is a belief in facts.
 >  ML> You wish.
 > OK! Then you top it with a greater one.  Bv)=

 ML> The greatest American superstition is a belief in
 ML> the belief in facts.

 >       Title: Church's Fried Chicken
 ML>       3 ts Seasoned salt
 >       2 ts Paprika
 >     1/2 ts Baking soda
 >     1/2 c  Biscuit mix
 >       1    Envelope Italian Dressing
 >            - Mix
 >       1    Envelope Onion Soup Mix

 ML> That looks downright nasty.

And people ask me why I don't eat Church's Chicken? 
 
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
 
      Title: Presbyterian Chicken
 Categories: Five, Poultry, Stuffing, Soups, Dips
      Yield: 6 Servings
 
     12 oz (2 boxes) Stovetop stuffing
           - mix (chicken flavor)
     16 oz French onion dip
 21 1/2 oz (2 cans) cream of mushroom
           - soup
      5 c  Cooked chicken; in bite
           - sized pieces
 
  Prepare the stuffing according to the package directions. In
  a separate bowl mix the remaining ingredients. Place in a
  large casserole dish. Spoon the prepared stuffing over the
  top and bake in a 350§F/175§C oven for 25 minutes.
  
  From: http://www.cookingcache.com
  
  Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives
 
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