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echo: philos
to: DAY BROWN
from: DAVID MARTORANA
date: 1998-04-21 00:30:00
subject: `Curable Souls`

 @@> On Apr-19-98 Day Brown wrote to David Martorana
 @@> on "Curable Souls"
 
 DB> ................... For instance, the purpose of a soulless
 DB> avatar would only arise in it's effect on souls.  Such an avatar,
 DB> having no soul, would not need awareness or consciousness either.
 DB> When it ceased, or died, it's constituent elements would recycle,
 DB> and be available for other forms and/or uses.
 
   Saying something does not make it so. Avatars (if the term
   actually defines a definable) might well have soul functions
   or even more complex equivalents. Reaching through the HOLODECK
   options, nothing can be ruled in or out. If you are goin to
   present limits this early into explorations, it would amount to
   placing a govener on the "deck". The Egyptians defined seven
   souls (though I can only remember the 3 or 4 most common ones).
   The concepts into working form critters need be a virtual of
   options (at least until Holodeck reasoning would *SUGGEST*
   otherwise limitations one could live with).
 
 DB> My sense in general, is that everyone we see is much like someone
 DB> or something in a movie, with a part in advancing the plot.  That
 DB> part may involve a self conception of purpose that only makes any
 DB> sense in terms of some limited reality subsystem, a digression, a
 DB> subplot, if you will.  Citizen Kane operated as if his success in
 DB> the pursuit of power and money mattered, even though he was aware
 DB> that his purpose was pretty trivial- which awareness pained him.
 
     Your Holodeck may propel your insights some beyond "limited reality"
     How would we measure the length and wealth of what might be
     conceptualizable? Too much could blow a fixed mental capacity.
     Would the "deck" provide our greater personal capacity or must
     it be set to primitive functioning?  ....how to measure measure?
 
 DB> Despite my efforts, perhaps because of my limitations, you,
 DB> or anyone, may not see my presentations as an adequate
 DB> explanation.  That is not my problem either- I have no mandate
 DB> to preach; I do have a mandate to teach myself what is going on,
 DB> and these discussions with you- help me!
 
     Though we would disagree from time to time , and You would
     sometimes loose me , I do appreciate those that reach into
     the near unknown. .....where straight lines and evidence are
     lean. Mr Brown! you ARE the only person I've run across on a
     bbs that has presented an original reality search engine designed
     to quest and define itself.
 
 DM> .........................It all becomes a relative game in a
 DM>    parochial sandbox ....unless nudged up a notch by some an
 DM> inspired itch or two..............from where ???
 
 DB> From Neitzsche?
 
                               .......that name sure is lively !!!
 
                        @@>--- Dave
 
 
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