>>> David Martorana on "Biological Consciousness" 
 DM> ..Since we don't yet know beyond the edges of consciousness,
 DM> nor the range of its active hostings, 
There's a paradox there, that we spend more time beyond consciousness than we 
do in a life time of consciousness, yet for all our unconscious experience we 
have no experience from it, just the experience of transitions, the kindling 
of consciousness as children, waking or reviving from induced unconsciousness 
and the opposite.  Mystics of the ages have used various potions for various 
experimental effects upon regular consciousness.
 
 WE> Sleep or any other unconscious state relieves you of universal
 WE> concerns.
 DM> I still trouble some on this dilemma!
What's the dilemma?  Your problems will return upon waking.
 
 DM> I don't find that an individual "loosing it" (death/brain damage)
 DM> changes my interest in it. Whether here to appreciate it or not,
 DM> the quest does not loose its savor till it goes puff (if it does
 ) Like said above, I do experience some dilemma in this consciousness
 DM> "thing" (but ever working on it).
Consciousness itself is one of the greatest enigmas of the ages.  Here's a 
riddle.  Is a dead person more unconsciousness than a person in dreamless 
sleep?
 
 DM>> .................I DO struggle with this puzzle of transitory
 DM>> importance whereas we, individual or species, do make a bit of
 DM>> noise and poof, we AND our consciousness are gone. As long as I'm
 DM>> *alive* I would find the universe interesting whether my
 DM>> consciousness is biological (likely) or some more or less unknown
 DM>> other... It is all some fun while lasting "....our species, our perk"
According to this notion of interest, brain death is indeed death, as you 
have lost all interest.  But as you put it, it's not the solution, it's the 
puzzle that's interesting. 
 DM> I understand no such thing. Beyond definitions I want to find and
 DM> ride the horse, as super unlikely as the prospect!   
Then say something stupid like, 'I think therefore I am'. -)  Or that cave 
duelling jerk that claimed what we see as real is just a shadow of actual 
reality.  Must be he had a Hollywood view of reel-ality. -)  What I don't 
understand about Plato is how an ancient Greek could be a cave dweller, must 
have been behind his time. -)
All of being
 DM> is a nonsense, intellectual musings or otherwise substantial-
 DM> ..unless ??? SOMEONE can say otherwise (without manufactured
 DM> answers). From a human perspective, the game IS the "ALL OF IT"!
 DM> .....re-ALL-ity
                             Really Reel
	Hi.  I'm Reel.  You may address me as sir, as Sir Reel, that is.  Sometimes 
I might be a bit off reel.  However, it's easy to put me back on reel.  So 
when you're ready for the reel stuff just ask,, "How Sir Reel are you?"  Let 
me unwind awhile, and I will show you reel places with reel people doing reel 
things.  Reelly, such reelizations will flick you into another world.
 WE> There's little to be said.  It can be turned off and it be started
 WE> and restarted.  Our experience indicates that it is associated with
 WE> life.
 DM> ........true! If that is what we are satisfied to make of it.
What else can you say about it?  For that matter what can you say about 
Nirvana except that there's nothing to it. -)  But then there are Buddhist 
masters that can elaborate infinitely upon nothing.  Hindu philosophy, upon 
the other hand, proposes consciousness to be the ultimate identity of humans.
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