Hi Benjamin,

 BC> purpose in the beginning of this was to
 BC> find out just how to transfer data
 BC> from one media to another, between two computers.

Oh. I thought you was looking for somewhere to buy a *cable* to do such
a transfer. I merely explained that there was no such beast as just a
cable, although there are several ways to do what you wanted. ;-)

 BC> RG>Neither do I.   The C64 SERIAL port is
 BC> RG> designed for SERIAL DATA to the
 BC> RG>disk drives and/or printer.
 BC>
 BC> On the computers I have used the modem
 BC> plugs into a serial port, thus the
                ^
Since a modem, *all* modems are serial devices, then I'm not surprised.

 BC> ignorant beginner ben assumes that this
 BC> somehow occurs on a c64 also as is

Like I tried to explain, a C64 is no different to any other computer.
So yes, you do need to plug a modem into A serial port.  Tis not the
same serial port as the disk drives though.

 BC> BC> 6pin end like the one on the serial
 BC> BC> cable which would link a 1541 drive to
 BC> BC> the c64. Where do you get these
 BC>
 BC> To which is retorted:
 BC>
 BC> RG>You don't.

I could have lied to you and sent you around to Dick Smiths or Jaycar.
I thought I was being much kinder by telling you straight out that such
a thing doesn't exist.


 BC> RG>PS..  I think that computers should be
 BC> RG> like cars..  no one is allowed
 BC> RG>to drive a formula one racer until
 BC> RG> that have grasped the fundimentals
 BC> RG>and had sufficient experience at
 BC> RG> "normal" driving..  I don't think
 BC> RG>people should be allowed to use "high
 BC> RG> power" computers until they at
 BC> RG>least have a fundimental understanding
 BC> RG> of how a "basic" computer such
 BC> RG>as a C64 works...  it sure would save a lot of people a lot of
 BC>
 BC> Well I don't agree with you. To start

I didn't expect you to.  ;-)

 BC> engines, how engines work, how combustion
 BC> works, how cars in general work?
 BC> Of course they don't, others most of the
 BC> people in this country would not
 BC> have licenses to drive or USE cars and if
 BC> they did know these BASIC

You're right of course.  However, I do also think that people *should*
have some idea of how a car works before they are allowed to drive one.

I never said I was a realist.  

 BC> RG>I'm sorry to rave on as much as I
 BC> RG> have, but it really is one of my pet
 BC> RG>hates when people see computers as
 BC> RG> something "magical", and especially
 BC> RG>when they see a C64 as being totally
 BC> RG> different from other computers.
 BC>
 BC> One on my pet hates is when people seem
 BC> to making valid statements when
 BC> their points are actually fallacious. I'm

Hehehe, I can see that we could have some very interesting discussions.
I make an artform out of this type of statement. :)

 BC> not accept that beginners in electronics
 BC> cannot start tinkering before they
 BC> know everything, how would they learn
 BC> anything otherwise? I ask because I
 BC> am ignorant, not because I am stupid.

You'll be pleased to know that I have never called you stupid. You
ignorant hoon.  

 BC> How cares if USERS are ignorant of their
 BC> computers workings, their role is

I do.   (well, you did ask)  -)

 BC> Sorry about the headaches. Thanks for all
 BC> the knowledge, I do appreciate
 BC> the advise, all of it and I am well aware
 BC> of my novice status in relation
 BC> to power users like yourself.:-)

Power user ??   ROFL !  I still haven't gone beyond the C128.  I feel I
should discover the limits of THIS machine before I start worrying
about finding the limits of "high power" machines.  (See, I practice
what I preach).

Cheers,
Rod.

PS. One of the easiest ways to xfer data between the C64 and a PC is
via two modems. One on each system. The amount of data that most people
need to transfer doesn't warrant going into anything more complex.
The *easiest* way of all is to try to obtain a 1571/81 disk drive, and
Big Blue Reader for the C=.  Most C64ers don't have these drives
though, and it is generally not worth investing in one unless you have
a lot of xferring to do, or need it for other purposes.

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