Charles Angelich wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

RJT> Then there's the 5-year-old who came to visit again today, for a 
RJT> while. She's gonna do whatever the heck she wants, I believe it... 
RJT> :-) 

CA> I think she probably will. :-) 

She's certaily enough of a charmer to get away with it,  too.  :-)

CA> --8<--cut 

CA>> In my original profession(s) women don't fight as hard for 
CA>> 'equality'. Ditch digger, factory rat, and skilled trades mechanic 
CA>> don't appeal to the ladies as much as the desk jobs do. :-) 

RJT> The 13-year-old will gladly help me with stuff on the car, and 
RJT> gets a kick out of it. The 12-year-old "doesn't wanna get dirty" 
RJT> when I'm doing stuff. Yet she says she wants to be a marine 
RJT> biologist. 

CA> Schools must push that "marine biologist" thing. I hear that alot.

I don't know if that's it or not.  She hasn't shown what *I* would consider
to be serious interest in the scientific side of things,  but maybe my
expectations are a bit off in that respect -- thinking of me when I was 12,
 for example.  I do know that she's had a thing for dolphins ever since she
was little.

CA> --8<--cut 

CA>>> We can encourage women to expand their horizons but we need to 
CA>>> rethink the demasculatizing of our young men in the process or 
CA>>> there will be a price to pay in the end. 

RJT> I blame a lot of what's going on in the school system these days 
RJT> for that... 

CA> Teachers have always been in their own universe, even when I was in
CA> school.

They sure are.

CA> They discuss going to college like it's a walk in the park and you 
CA> can put your life on 'hold' indefinitely until you feel you've had 
CA> enough of college. One of my friends committed suicide in his 
CA> senior year when he realized he was never going to go to college 
CA> (too poor, bad grades, etc.).

That's a shame.

Personally it was never that important to me,  though even now some decades
later I still have the idle thought now and then about doing that.  But
never quite seem to get up the ambition to do anything about it...

RJT>> You don't think there is already? 

CA>> Yes I see the effects already. Lowered wages for both men and 
CA>> women has been the result of women's 'equality'. They pulled the 
CA>> man's wages down to their wages.

RJT> Sorta like that stuff with college sports, what is it, "Title 9"? 
RJT> Something like that. To achieve "equality" they're cutting the 
RJT> men's stuff.

CA> I think there have been many reductions from a man's life to bring 
CA> him down to the level of the females. Funny thing is that women
CA> don't realize the damage they've done either.

Some do.

CA>> I've worked with young women more lately than before and I find 
CA>> them to be over-confident, petty, and more aggressive than their  
CA>> male counterparts. The old excuse that they "had to be that
way" 
CA>> is no longer valid IMO.

RJT> Nope. I still can't believe how catty that office environment I 
RJT> just left could get at times... 

CA> When I tell people they _think_ I'm exaggerating to get laughs.

I can believe that.

CA>> If you happen to work with young African-American females you have 
CA>> a huge problem. I recall reading once long ago that the only place 
CA>> you can touch them is on the elbows. Probably best not to even do 
CA>> that now.

RJT> I didn't, but my other half does. And the problem there is that 
RJT> some of them don't seem to want to do the work that they're 
RJT> getting paid for. But only some of them.

CA> My recent experiences working in an office had me confused for most 
CA> of the time I was there. I had never imagined how many who work in 
CA> offices actually do _nothing_ for weeks at a time other than plan 
CA> their next vacation, make personal calls, and some even sneak out 
CA> and go shopping while 'on the clock'. Amazing, truly amazing.

That seems to be a common thing in some of the daytime tv shows that I've
caught bits of in passing,  all this personal stuff going on and not much
attention being paid to any actual work getting done.  Not that this is
something limited to daytime tv either,  it shows up in prime time,  too.

CA>> I can easilly imagine what happened at the meeting about being 
CA>> 'PC' that recently pushed the guy over the edge who returned to 
CA>> work with a gun and started shooting. Been there, but didn't shoot 
CA>> anyone. :-) 

RJT> I heard about that, but nothing about why. 

CA> I can only say that my experiences with meeting where that was 
CA> being discussed made it so very clear that a white protestant male 
CA> is the lowest form of sentient being on the planet with no rights, 
CA> no privileges, and no chance to defend themselves once they are 
CA> accused of anything non-PC. It's enough to push a sane person over
CA> the edge and this guy was having some real problems before the 
CA> meeting. 

I don't go for that PC crap and won't have it shoved down my throat.  If
it's the big thing at some place I'm working,  then I'll go elsewhere.

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