RG> G'day Keith,

g'day rod you ex-pom you (:

glas to see that you have joined us. 

 KR> if the answer was yes, then your experiences would be welcome, if it
 KR> was no, then you are talking through your arse.

 RG> It isn't often that I support anything RS says, but in this case I
 RG> tend to agree with him 100% ...   I am one of those people that simply
 RG> cannot come to grips with mornings ..
 RG> I've been this way for as long as I can remember  (well, at least 25
 RG> years), and MANY of my jobs were afternoon/nightshift for this very
 RG> reason.  I used to consider it a 'joke' that not only did I get to
 RG> work the hours I prefered, but I actually got paid more for doing it.
 RG> I would have gladly worked the same hours for the same (or even less)
 RG> pay than my dayshift counterparts...  IOW, I feel/felt that any extra
 RG> allowances paid for shift work should go to those poor buggers that
 RG> had to get up at the ungodly hour of 7am.

how long did you do these jobs, and why did you leave them. i have known
quite a few people who went into shift work feeling like that, but 2 years
later they were trying to get out. personally i am an evening person, for
preference, i'd go to bed 2am and get up in the late morning, but doing
real work at midnight or later is much harder than during the day, and
working hours like that put strains on most relationships. it is my
experience that work done after midnight is rarely done as well as work
done during the day, when i was scheduling stuff in my last job, i found
that i'd have to allow 30-50% more time for the same job to be done at
night rather than during the day, and often it wasn't done as well either.

 KR> if you can find half a dozen who would happily work odd hours for no
 KR> extra pay, and can fix computer related equipment, the we can make
 KR> some good money between us for introducing them to eager employers.
 KR> even those who would require extra pay would be welcome.

 RG> Start the introductions. I'm interested.
 RG> One thing that really pissed me off when I got into the electronic
 RG> feild was that no matter how hard I looked I simply could not find an
 RG> employer that offered an afternoon or night shift.

ibm are currently looking for permanent night shift people, my old employer
was usually on the lookout for people to work 1900-0700 3 days a week
(possibly over the weekend).

 RS>> Yep, and there is no reason why we cant in the current
 RS>> employment situation just tell them that thats the job, take it
 RS>> or leave it, without the penalty payment, and still get plenty
 RS>> of takers.

 KR> yes rod, if you want skilled workers to work out of hours, you'll get
 KR> them queuing at your door i dont think.

 RG> I'll be first in line.

try ibm first, i believe that they pay well too.

 NS>> It does have an effect on your social life too.
 RG> 
 RS>> That depends entirely on your social life Neil. Some people do in
 RG> 
 KR> theres an odd thing with most married couples that i know, they like
 KR> each others company, those that dont dont usually stay married, thus
 KR> they generally prefer to have the same times and days off. there can
 KR> be times when people find it convenient to do these things short
 KR> term, but rarely long term.

 RG> Another reason why Gaelyne and I tend to get along so well, because
 RG> like me, she too is an afternoon/night type person. If she were
 RG> 'normal' (ie, gets up before 9am and goes to bed before midnight) we
 RG> would have hardly seen each other while she was here..   and this
 RG> isn't/wasn't a matter of one or the other of us changing our routines
 RG> to match the other - ever since we first 'met' on the echos we were
 RG> fully aware that we both prefer late starts in the morning (or
 RG> afternoon), with a much after midnight bedtime.

you sound just like me, but i can assure you from long experience that
there is a big difference between being an evening/night person when it
comes to doing things that you enjoy, and doing hard mental or physical
work in the middle of the night. 

if you work in the big end of the computer world, then you end up working a
night at times because there is no other choice for a lot of jobs. one of
my workmates did a 10 hour stint last saturday night at what is possibly
the biggest computer centre in the country, he was doing a transfer of
several hundred gigabytes of data from an old disk subsystem to a new one.
it simply would not have been possible at any other time. i dont mind doing
things like that on the odd occasion, but the constant grind of continuous
shiftwork gets most people down. 
the employers aren't philanthropic, they only pay extra because they know
that they stand no show of getting people to work these hours without extra
incentive.

 RS>> Pigs arse I havent, some people PREFER to work those hours
 RS>> for a variety of reasons, like the child care one I mentioned.

 KR> yep, probably ammounts to at least 0.5% of the population.

 RG> I agree that we would be in the minority, but I doubt that it would be
 RG> as low as 0.5%

well, i did shiftwork of one sort or another for a total of 11 years,
working with several hundred others during that time, and i'd put the
proportion that actually enjoyed shiftwork at about that.

keith
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