From: "Rich" 

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   You didn't check, did you?  SP4 includes version 5.1.0.8513 of =
JSCRIPT.DLL.  Not 5.6.0.8513 because Windows 2000 doesn't include = version
5.6 of the Windows Scripting component.  The download which you = probably
meant to refer to is =
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=3Da9eecbf9-019c-=
4667-8943-2b0142591b9e&displaylang=3Den.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3f0a1fae$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  =
http://microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=3D824B1BD4-B4D6-49D5=
-8C58-199BDC731B64&displaylang=3Den

  Geo. (it's not included in SP4)

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3f08b349{at}w3.nls.net...
     You tell me what it is and provide a URL like the KB article and =
maybe I
  can.  It's not like it is difficult to keep track of.  I gave you how =
to
  keep up to date for security.  If you want all the published updates =
since
  SP4 and not just those from security bulletins, see
  =
http://support.microsoft.com/common/canned.aspx?R=3Dd&H=3DMicrosoft%20Win=
dows%202000%20Post-SP4%20Fixes&LL=3D&Sz=3DkbWin2000preSP5fix&Fr=3D&DU=3D&=
SD=3DGN&LN=3DEN-US&CND=3D1&VR=3D&CAT=3D&VRL=3D&SG=3D&MaxResults=3D250.
  The bit in red is the significant bit.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3f088986$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    Then explain js56nen2K_SP5.exe

    Geo. (whoops, guess the guys running technet forgot about the java =
patch
    huh?)

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3f084d78{at}w3.nls.net...
       Yep.  SP4 and MS03-22.  You can see this yourself by visiting
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/current.asp.

    Rich

      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3f07e5cc$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      It's got nothing to do with remembering what I installed, if I =
were to
    setup
      a new W2K server today, can you list the patches required to bring =
it
      current? Go for it Rich, lets see if you are capable of doing such =
a
    simple
      task.

      Geo.

      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3f07b5fa$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         Why can't you remember what you installed?  Do you pay =
attention?  If
    so,
      why is it so difficult for you to remember what you did?

      Rich

        "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3f075f40{at}w3.nls.net...
        What I'm looking for is for Microsoft to assume the =
responsibility of
        accounting for a current  build. I'm tired of having to track =
this
    fricken
        nightmare patch work of fixes.

        Geo.

        "Glenn Meadows"  wrote in message
        news:3f072a14$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        I also think that what George is looking for, is a source to get =
a
  full
        image of the OS that already has the hotfixes/sp's installed =
ready to
    go,
      so
        when deploying or adding a new machine, you don't have to apply =
all
  the
        hotfixes/sp's above the level you're installing.

        So, if all you have is a Win2kPro SP0 (No SP installed) disk, =
but have
  a
        site license that allows 40 clients, and you're now adding =
client #35,
      he'd
        like to be able to get a full image of the latest distribution =
(not
  have
      to
        re-purchase same), so when he installs the software on the new
  computer,
      he
        doesn't have to take the next several hours adding SP's, hot =
fixes,
  etc.

        --=20
        Glenn M.


          "Rich"  wrote in message news:3f071faf{at}w3.nls.net...
             Put aside George's silly idea that full installs be made
  available
    to
        him because he is too lazy to create them himself.  (See



  =
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/support/spde=
ploy.asp
        and
  http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/tools/hfdeploy.asp).

             Running a slipstream install does upgrade in place and all =
users
    and
        existing software remain.  This is how I almost always install =
service
      packs
        when at work.

          Rich

            "Glenn Meadows"  wrote in message
        news:3f071d64$1{at}w3.nls.net...
            BUT, the problem with doing a "re-install", is that the =
current
    builds
        and
            software do NOT allow you to keep installed software, user, =
etc.
    I've
        tried
            that, mostly to no avail.  The ONLY way to get the install =
to run,
    is
      to
            allow it to delete the NT folder, and all the users, etc.  =
You
  have
    to
            re-install your software.

            I've found this to be true when trying to do a re-install of
    Win2KPro
        the
            SP3 CD build.  There is NO upgrade Install option, of =
Win2kPro is
        currently
            installed.  The ONLY option is to blow away the current =
install,
  and
      go
            through the hassle of a re-install.  I have NOT tried doing =
the
      SysPrep
            based install yet. which allows taking a fully installed =
system,
  and
            converting it to what is called an OEM image style install.  =
There
    is
      an
            option to force full hardware detect again, so you can roll =
up
        pre-installed
            systems with all the software installed to new machines.  =
This
  MIGHT
        work to
            allow you to change hardware on an existing system and not =
have to
            backup/restore, which doesn't properly bring back stuff (or =
I've
  not
        figured
            out the magic incantation.

            On the original Win2kPro NON SP based version CD, you can do =
a
        re-install
            over the top of the existing OS, and nothing is lost on =
installed
      apps.
        MS
            made a change somewhere along the line of Win2KPro to =
prevent a
        re-install.
            I have a Non-SP Win2kPro CD, and on a system that would NOT =
allow
        without
            deleting the existing installation (didn't format the disk, =
just
      deleted
        all
            the Win2K files and started over), I used the original =
Win2KPro
  CD,
      and
        I
            was able to re-install the OS.  Then had to apply SP3, but =
that's
  no
        real
            big deal.

            Heck, I've got a license for the machine, a license for the
    software,
        but it
            just won't allow an upgrade/repair style install that goes =
over
  the
      top
        of
            the existing install.

            --
            Glenn M.


            "Geo."  wrote in message
      news:3f06fe1c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
            > somehow I don't think we are communicating here.. I was =
saying I
      think
        MS
            > should be putting out a current build full distribution =
ISO
    instead
      of
            this
            > stupid barrage of patches and service packs. What I want =
is to
  go
    to
        the
            MS
            > website, type in my serial number and download in iso =
build of
  NT
      that
        is
            > current up to the minute patched so after installing I'm
  current.
            >
            > Geo.
            >
            >  wrote in message
            > news:f09845.e36000{at}harborwebs.com...
            > > -=3D> Quoting Geo. to Mike '/m' <=3D-
            > >
            > >  Ge> With Windows, MS and their pirate paranoia will =
never
  allow
      us
        to
            do
            > >  Ge> the current distro thing so we have to suffer with =
a 3
  year
      old
            > >  Ge> distribution, a service pack, a download of current
    drivers,
        and a
            > >  Ge> boatload of hotfixes. 
            > >
            > > What do you find unacceptable in Slipstreaming?
            > >
            > > Richard
            > >
            > > ... If this post also applies to you, then that's
  unintentional
            > >
            > > --- FMail/386 1.02
      (2:254/235)
            >
            >






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   You
didn't check, did =
you?  SP4=20
includes version 5.1.0.8513 of JSCRIPT.DLL.  Not 5.6.0.8513
because = Windows=20
2000 doesn't include version 5.6 of the Windows Scripting =
component.  The=20
download which you probably meant to refer to is http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=3Da9eecb=
f9-019c-4667-8943-2b0142591b9e&displaylang=3Den">http://www.microsoft=
.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=3Da9eecbf9-019c-4667-8943-2b0142591b=
9e&displaylang=3Den.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:3f0a1fae$1{at}w3.nls.net...http://microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=3D824B1BD4-B=
4D6-49D5-8C58-199BDC731B64&displaylang=3Den">http://microsoft.com/dow=
nloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=3D824B1BD4-B4D6-49D5-8C58-199BDC731B64&d=
isplaylang=3DenGeo.=20
  (it's not included in SP4)"Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:3f08b349{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
  You tell me what it is and provide a URL like the KB article and maybe =

  Ican.  It's not like it is difficult to keep track
of.  =
I gave=20
  you how tokeep up to date for security.  If you want all the=20
  published updates sinceSP4 and not just those from security =
bulletins,=20
  seehttp://support.microsoft.com/common/canned.aspx?R=3Dd&H=3DMic=
rosoft%20Windows%202000%20Post-SP4%20Fixes&LL=3D&Sz=3DkbWin2000pr=
eSP5fix&Fr=3D&DU=3D&SD=3DGN&LN=3DEN-US&CND=3D1&VR=
=3D&CAT=3D&VRL=3D&SG=3D&MaxResults=3D250">http://support.=
microsoft.com/common/canned.aspx?R=3Dd&H=3DMicrosoft%20Windows%202000=
%20Post-SP4%20Fixes&LL=3D&Sz=3DkbWin2000preSP5fix&Fr=3D&D=
U=3D&SD=3DGN&LN=3DEN-US&CND=3D1&VR=3D&CAT=3D&VRL=3D=
&SG=3D&MaxResults=3D250.The=20
  bit in red is the significant
bit.Rich  "Geo."
=
<georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:3f088986$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  Then explain js56nen2K_SP5.exe  Geo.
(whoops, guess the =
guys=20
  running technet forgot about the java patch  =
huh?) =20
  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3f084d78{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;   =20
  Yep.  SP4 and MS03-22.  You can see this yourself by=20
  visiting  http://www" target="new">http://www=">http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/current.asp">http://www=
.microsoft.com/technet/security/current.asp. =20
  Rich    "Geo."
<georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:3f07e5cc$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  It's got nothing to do with remembering what I installed, if I were=20
  to  setup    a
new W2K server today, can =
you list=20
  the patches required to bring it   
current? Go for =
it=20
  Rich, lets see if you are capable of doing such a =20
  simple   
task.   =20
  Geo.    "Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:3f07b5fa$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
      =20
  Why can't you remember what you installed?  Do you pay =
attention? =20
  If  so,    why is
it so difficult for you =
to=20
  remember what you did?   =20
 
Rich     
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:3f075f40{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;    =20
  What I'm looking for is for Microsoft to assume the responsibility=20
  of      accounting
for a current  =
build. I'm=20
  tired of having to track this =20
  fricken     
nightmare patch work of=20
  fixes.     =20
 
Geo.     
"Glenn Meadows" <gmeadow{at}comcast.net>">mailto:gmeadow{at}comcast.net">gmeadow{at}comcast.net>
wrote =
in=20
  message      news:3f072a14$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
     =20
  I also think that what George is looking for, is a source to get=20
 
afull     
image of the OS that =
already has=20
  the hotfixes/sp's installed ready to  =
go,   =20
  so      when
deploying or adding a new =
machine,=20
  you don't have to apply
allthe     =20
  hotfixes/sp's above the level you're=20
 
installing.     
So, if all you have =
is a=20
  Win2kPro SP0 (No SP installed) disk, but=20
 
havea     
site license that allows =
40=20
  clients, and you're now adding client
#35,   =20
  he'd      like to
be able to get a full =
image of=20
  the latest distribution
(nothave   =20
  to     
re-purchase same), so when he =
installs=20
  the software on the
newcomputer,   =20
  he      doesn't
have to take the next =
several=20
  hours adding SP's, hot =
fixes,etc.     
--=20
        Glenn=20
 
M.       
"Rich" =
<{at}>=20
  wrote in message news:3f071faf{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;         =20
  Put aside George's silly idea that full installs be=20
  madeavailable 
to      him =
because=20
  he is too lazy to create them himself. 
(Seehttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/supp=
ort/spdeploy.asp">http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows200=
0serv/support/spdeploy.asp     =20
  andhttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/tools/hfdeploy.as=
p">http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/tools/hfdeploy.asp;=
).          =20
  Running a slipstream install does upgrade in place and all =
users =20
  and      existing
software remain.  =
This is=20
  how I almost always install service   =20
  packs      when at=20
 
work.       =20
 
Rich         
=
"Glenn=20
  Meadows" <gmeadow{at}comcast.net>=20">mailto:gmeadow{at}comcast.net">gmeadow{at}comcast.net>=20
  wrote in
message     
news:3f071d64$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
         =20
  BUT, the problem with doing a "re-install", is that the =
current =20
  builds     =20
 
and         
software =
do NOT=20
  allow you to keep installed software, user, etc. =20
  I've     =20
 
tried         
that, =
mostly=20
  to no avail.  The ONLY way to get the install to
run, =20
  is   =20
 
to         
allow it =
to=20
  delete the NT folder, and all the users, etc.  =
Youhave =20
 
to         
=
re-install your=20
  =
software.         
= I've=20
  found this to be true when trying to do a re-install of =20
  Win2KPro     =20
 
the         
SP3 CD=20
  build.  There is NO upgrade Install option, of Win2kPro=20
  is     =20
 
currently         =20
  installed.  The ONLY option is to blow away the current=20
  install,and   =20
 
go         
through =
the=20
  hassle of a re-install.  I have NOT tried doing =
the   =20
 
SysPrep         
=
based=20
  install yet. which allows taking a fully installed=20
  =
system,and         
=

  converting it to what is called an OEM image style install. =20
  There  is   =20
 
an         
option to =
force=20
  full hardware detect again, so you can roll=20
  up     =20
  =
pre-installed         =20
  systems with all the software installed to new machines. =20
 
ThisMIGHT     
work=20
 
to         
allow you =
to=20
  change hardware on an existing system and not have=20
 
to         
=
backup/restore,=20
  which doesn't properly bring back stuff (or=20
  I'venot     =20
 
figured         
out =
the=20
  magic=20
  =
incantation.         =
; On=20
  the original Win2kPro NON SP based version CD, you can do=20
  a     =20
 
re-install         
=
over the=20
  top of the existing OS, and nothing is lost on =
installed   =20
  apps.     =20
 
MS         
made a =
change=20
  somewhere along the line of Win2KPro to prevent=20
  a     =20
 
re-install.         
=
I have a=20
  Non-SP Win2kPro CD, and on a system that would NOT=20
  allow     =20
 
without         
=
deleting the=20
  existing installation (didn't format the disk, =
just   =20
  deleted     =20
 
all         
the =
Win2K files=20
  and started over), I used the original =
Win2KProCD,   =20
  and     =20
 
I         
was able =
to=20
  re-install the OS.  Then had to apply SP3, but=20
  that'sno     =20
 
real         
big=20
 
deal.         
=
Heck, I've=20
  got a license for the machine, a license for the =20
  software,      but=20
 
it         
just =
won't allow=20
  an upgrade/repair style install that goes =
overthe   =20
  top     =20
 
of         
the =
existing=20
 
install.         
=

 
--         
Glenn=20
 
M.         
=
"Geo."=20
  <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote =
in=20
  message    news:3f06fe1c$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
         =20
  > somehow I don't think we are communicating here.. I was saying=20
  I   
think     =20
 
MS         
> =
should be=20
  putting out a current build full distribution ISO =20
  instead   =20
 
of         =20
 
this         
> =
stupid=20
  barrage of patches and service packs. What I want is =
togo =20
  to     =20
 
the         =20
 
MS         
> =
website,=20
  type in my serial number and download in iso build=20
  ofNT   
that     =20
 
is         
> =
current up=20
  to the minute patched so after installing=20
  =
I'mcurrent.         =
=20
 
>         
>=20
 
Geo.         =20
 
>         
> =
<Richard.Town{at}harborwebs.commailto:Richard.Town{at}harborwebs.com">Richard.Town{at}harborwebs.com
A>>=20
  wrote in =
message         =20
  > news:f09845.e36000{at}harborwebs.=
com...         =20
  > > -=3D> Quoting Geo. to Mike '/m'=20
 
<=3D-         
=
>=20
 
>         
> =
> =20
  Ge> With Windows, MS and their pirate paranoia will=20
  neverallow    =
us     =20
 
to         =20
 
do         
> =
> =20
  Ge> the current distro thing so we have to suffer with a=20
  3year   =20
 
old         
> =
> =20
  Ge> distribution, a service pack, a download of
current =20
  drivers,      and=20
 
a         
> =
> =20
  Ge> boatload of hotfixes.=20
 
<sigh>         
=
>=20
 
>         
> =
> What=20
  do you find unacceptable in=20
  =
Slipstreaming?         
=
>=20
 
>         
> =
>=20
 
Richard         
> =

 
>         
> =
> ...=20
  If this post also applies to you, then=20
  =
that'sunintentional       &nbs=
p; =20
  >
>         
=
> >=20
  --- FMail/386 =
1.02         =20
  +44(0)2082972486   =20
 
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