>  ML> > I have no idea; it's ancient history.
>  ML> The kids at least must have noticed and had
>  ML> some kind of hypothesis about it.
> Probably so but it was one of these "ok, I'll go with it" and went on
> with my life, withoug giving it any deep thought.

It may be a fault on my part, but I wouldn't
forget something like that, as it was an
interesting peculiarity.

>  ML> That's why a lot of factories sell seconds.
> And a lot of craftspeople sell firsts.

One would hope so.
 
>  ML> that, but in none of the households I frequent
>  ML> is malnourishment or frugality a motivator.
> No, and it doesn't sound like they're particularly into "a mess of
> greens" either.

Or rather their idea of a mess of greens would
be quite different from a su'n one.

>  ML> the desert or the king fighting against the
>  ML> tides when perfectly good stuff goes into the
>  ML> compost or, worse, down the disposal.
> I know. I've rescued ham bones and turkey carcasses that have had a good
> bit of meat on them.

Makes me gobbling mad, it does.

>  ML> > I make sure the dishes have a good pre rinse and have never noticed
>  ML> a > taste of Cascade (or other dishwasher detergent).
>  ML> I always do. Even the unscented so-called ones
>  ML> have an odor and flavor.
> I've not noticed a taste but do notice a scent.

Maybe your dishwasher rinses better than the ones
that I am familiar with.

>  ML> point). I also prefer gas to electric.
> Hopefully the next place we live will have gas. (We're talking about
> moving, but not any time soon.) I was surprised that with the gas
> heat/hot water, we didn't have a gas stove in this house.

People have different priorities and ideas about
the risks. Plus some actually do like electric
stoves, probably folks who like to have things sit
on low all day and all night.

>  ML> activity, and luckily echo people almost always
>  ML> have the right tools mixed in with the wrong ones.
> It has taken time but I've tried to build up a good collection of
> "right" tools............and ones that are "right" for me but may be
> "wrong" for you.

The ones that are really wrong for me are likely
to be wrong just plain period, along the lines of
wwtt. I pride myself on the ability to get kitchen
chores done with pretty much anything available.
What I truly can't stand is dull abused knives.

> No wonder you're the cook for those places!

Makes everyone happy, or at least less dyspeptic.

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      Title: Honey Graham Crackers
 Categories: Breads, Snacks
   Servings: 50

      2 c  All-purpose unbleached flour
    1/3 c  Whole wheat flour
    1/2 c  Dark brown sugar, tightly
           -packed
    3/4 ts Baking soda
    1/2 ts Salt
    1/2    Stick butter, in 4 pieces
    1/3 c  Honey
      1 ts Vanilla extract
      5 tb Water

  Use the metal blade of your food processor to combine the flours, brown
  sugar, soda, salt and butter, about 10 pulses. Add the remaining
  ingredients, pulse 5 times, then process until the mixture forms a mass,
  about 20 seconds. Remove the dough, press it into a ball and divide it in
  half. Cover one half with plastic wrap. Preheat the oven to 325 degrees.
  Roll out the other half on a buttered rimless 14x17 inch baking sheet.
  Lightly flour the surface of the dough and roll until it is very thin and
  covers the baking sheet. Use the sharp side of a knife to cut the dough
  into 3 inch squares, then use the dull side of the knife to divide the
  squares in half. Prick evenly with a fork. Bake until evenly browned and
  firm to the touch, about 12-15 minutes. Repeat with the remaining dough
on
  a second baking sheet. Follow the scored lines to cut the crackers apart
  while warm; they will crisp as they cool. Gently lift them from the
baking
  sheet with a spatula. Separate the crackers and store in air- tight
  containers. Makes about 50 crackers. Source unknown

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