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   Why can't you remember what you installed?  Do you pay attention?  If =
so, why is it so difficult for you to remember what you did?

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:3f075f40{at}w3.nls.net...
  What I'm looking for is for Microsoft to assume the responsibility of
  accounting for a current  build. I'm tired of having to track this =
fricken
  nightmare patch work of fixes.

  Geo.

  "Glenn Meadows"  wrote in message
  news:3f072a14$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  I also think that what George is looking for, is a source to get a =
full
  image of the OS that already has the hotfixes/sp's installed ready to =
go, so
  when deploying or adding a new machine, you don't have to apply all =
the
  hotfixes/sp's above the level you're installing.

  So, if all you have is a Win2kPro SP0 (No SP installed) disk, but have =
a
  site license that allows 40 clients, and you're now adding client #35, =
he'd
  like to be able to get a full image of the latest distribution (not =
have to
  re-purchase same), so when he installs the software on the new =
computer, he
  doesn't have to take the next several hours adding SP's, hot fixes, =
etc.

  --=20
  Glenn M.


    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3f071faf{at}w3.nls.net...
       Put aside George's silly idea that full installs be made =
available to
  him because he is too lazy to create them himself.  (See
  =
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/support/spde=
ploy.asp
  and =
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/tools/hfdeploy.asp).

       Running a slipstream install does upgrade in place and all users =
and
  existing software remain.  This is how I almost always install service =
packs
  when at work.

    Rich

      "Glenn Meadows"  wrote in message
  news:3f071d64$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      BUT, the problem with doing a "re-install", is that the current =
builds
  and
      software do NOT allow you to keep installed software, user, etc.  =
I've
  tried
      that, mostly to no avail.  The ONLY way to get the install to run, =
is to
      allow it to delete the NT folder, and all the users, etc.  You =
have to
      re-install your software.

      I've found this to be true when trying to do a re-install of =
Win2KPro
  the
      SP3 CD build.  There is NO upgrade Install option, of Win2kPro is
  currently
      installed.  The ONLY option is to blow away the current install, =
and go
      through the hassle of a re-install.  I have NOT tried doing the =
SysPrep
      based install yet. which allows taking a fully installed system, =
and
      converting it to what is called an OEM image style install.  There =
is an
      option to force full hardware detect again, so you can roll up
  pre-installed
      systems with all the software installed to new machines.  This =
MIGHT
  work to
      allow you to change hardware on an existing system and not have to
      backup/restore, which doesn't properly bring back stuff (or I've =
not
  figured
      out the magic incantation.

      On the original Win2kPro NON SP based version CD, you can do a
  re-install
      over the top of the existing OS, and nothing is lost on installed =
apps.
  MS
      made a change somewhere along the line of Win2KPro to prevent a
  re-install.
      I have a Non-SP Win2kPro CD, and on a system that would NOT allow
  without
      deleting the existing installation (didn't format the disk, just =
deleted
  all
      the Win2K files and started over), I used the original Win2KPro =
CD, and
  I
      was able to re-install the OS.  Then had to apply SP3, but that's =
no
  real
      big deal.

      Heck, I've got a license for the machine, a license for the =
software,
  but it
      just won't allow an upgrade/repair style install that goes over =
the top
  of
      the existing install.

      --
      Glenn M.


      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3f06fe1c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      > somehow I don't think we are communicating here.. I was saying I =
think
  MS
      > should be putting out a current build full distribution ISO =
instead of
      this
      > stupid barrage of patches and service packs. What I want is to =
go to
  the
      MS
      > website, type in my serial number and download in iso build of =
NT that
  is
      > current up to the minute patched so after installing I'm =
current.
      >
      > Geo.
      >
      >  wrote in message
      > news:f09845.e36000{at}harborwebs.com...
      > > -=3D> Quoting Geo. to Mike '/m' <=3D-
      > >
      > >  Ge> With Windows, MS and their pirate paranoia will never =
allow us
  to
      do
      > >  Ge> the current distro thing so we have to suffer with a 3 =
year old
      > >  Ge> distribution, a service pack, a download of current =
drivers,
  and a
      > >  Ge> boatload of hotfixes. 
      > >
      > > What do you find unacceptable in Slipstreaming?
      > >
      > > Richard
      > >
      > > ... If this post also applies to you, then that's =
unintentional
      > >
      > > --- FMail/386 1.02
(2:254/235)
      >
      >



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   Why can't
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installed?  Do you pay attention?  If so, why is it so =
difficult for=20
you to remember what you did?
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:3f075f40{at}w3.nls.net...Wh=
at I'm=20
  looking for is for Microsoft to assume the responsibility =
ofaccounting for=20
  a current  build. I'm tired of having to track this =
frickennightmare=20
  patch work of
fixes.Geo."Glenn Meadows"
<gmeadow{at}comcast.net>">mailto:gmeadow{at}comcast.net">gmeadow{at}comcast.net>
wrote =
in=20
  messagenews:3f072a14$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
I also=20
  think that what George is looking for, is a source to get a =
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  the OS that already has the hotfixes/sp's installed ready to go, =
sowhen=20
  deploying or adding a new machine, you don't have to apply all=20
  thehotfixes/sp's above the level you're
installing.So, if =
all you=20
  have is a Win2kPro SP0 (No SP installed) disk, but have asite =
license that=20
  allows 40 clients, and you're now adding client #35, he'dlike to =
be able=20
  to get a full image of the latest distribution (not have =
tore-purchase=20
  same), so when he installs the software on the new computer, =
hedoesn't=20
  have to take the next several hours adding SP's, hot fixes, =
etc.--=20
  Glenn M. 
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3f071faf{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;   =20
  Put aside George's silly idea that full installs be made available =
tohim=20
  because he is too lazy to create them himself.  (Seehttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/supp=
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0serv/support/spdeploy.aspand=20
  http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/tools/hfdeploy.as=
p">http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/tools/hfdeploy.asp;=
).    =20
  Running a slipstream install does upgrade in place and all users=20
  andexisting software remain.  This is how I almost always =
install=20
  service packswhen at work.  =
Rich   =20
  "Glenn Meadows" <gmeadow{at}comcast.net>">mailto:gmeadow{at}comcast.net">gmeadow{at}comcast.net>
wrote =
in=20
  messagenews:3f071d64$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  BUT, the problem with doing a "re-install", is that the current=20
  buildsand    software do
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  installed software, user, etc.  =
I'vetried    that,=20
  mostly to no avail.  The ONLY way to get the install to run, is=20
  to    allow it to delete the NT
folder, and all the =
users,=20
  etc.  You have to   
re-install your=20
  software.    I've found
this to be true when =
trying to=20
  do a re-install of
Win2KProthe    SP3 CD =
build. =20
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  iscurrently   
installed.  The ONLY option =
is to=20
  blow away the current install, and
go    through =
the hassle=20
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fully=20
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it to what is =
called an=20
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an    =
option to=20
  force full hardware detect again, so you can roll=20
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with all the =
software=20
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to   =20
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  to    backup/restore, which doesn't
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back=20
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based=20
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line of=20
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Non-SP=20
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installation=20
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Win2K=20
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re-install the OS.  =
Then had=20
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noreal    big=20
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license for the =
machine, a=20
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allow an=20
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--    Glenn=20
  M.   
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:3f06fe1c$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  > somehow I don't think we are communicating here.. I was saying I=20
  thinkMS    > should
be putting out a current =
build=20
  full distribution ISO instead of   =20
  this    > stupid barrage of
patches and service =
packs.=20
  What I want is to go tothe    =
MS   =20
  > website, type in my serial number and download in iso build of NT =

  thatis    > current
up to the minute patched =
so=20
  after installing I'm current.    =
>   =20
  > Geo.   
>    > <Richard.Town{at}harborwebs.commailto:Richard.Town{at}harborwebs.com">Richard.Town{at}harborwebs.com
A>>=20
  wrote in message    > news:f09845.e36000{at}harborwebs.=
com...   =20
  > > -=3D> Quoting Geo. to Mike '/m' =
<=3D-    >=20
  >    >
>  Ge> With Windows, MS and =
their=20
  pirate paranoia will never allow
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  do    > > 
Ge> the current distro =
thing so we=20
  have to suffer with a 3 year old   
> >  =
Ge>=20
  distribution, a service pack, a download of current drivers,and=20
  a    > > 
Ge> boatload of hotfixes.=20
  <sigh>    >
>    =
> >=20
  What do you find unacceptable in
Slipstreaming?    =
>=20
  >    > >
Richard    =
>=20
  >    > > ... If
this post also applies to =
you,=20
  then that's unintentional    >=20
  >    > > --- FMail/386 =
1.02   =20
+44(0)2082972486=20
  (2:254/235)   
>   =20
>

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