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   I can't speak for others but I'm obviously smarter or more efficient =
than George and you as I waste no time figuring out how to secure new =
installations.  If you are not that smart, you can probably ask around =
and find someone that is capable of understanding and doing what you can =
not.

   And, despite George's whining and your typical baseless accusations, =
Microsoft provides customers with the ability to make their own =
slipstream installs with any service pack and/or hotfixes as their own =
software and even OEM drivers and software.  This has been discussed =
several times here.  Don't worry.  No one expects you to acknowledge = such
posts or do anything other than reply to a message to which you can = add
your own negative spin.  To do otherwise would go against your = agenda and
you lack the ethics for that.

Rich

  "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:3jrggvoja255ptpkjfqpquto06i6p30nic{at}4ax.com...


  An interesting question to ponder here: does Microsoft internally =
provide
  to its own people the type of release that its customers are asking =
for
  here?  Or do the Microsoft people waste hours of time trying to figure
  out how to secure a new install?

   /m

  On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:01:08 -0500, Douglas Smith =

  wrote:

  >Why should we the end user have to create our own?  This costs my=20
  >company money by taking me away from my support functions.
  >
  >BTW, have you ever provided support for a significant number of =
users? =20
  >If you had, you might change your tune about some of these issues.
  >
  > - Doug.
  >
  >
  >In article , "Rich"  says...
  >>    Why?  Microsoft has provided a mechanism for customers to create =
their own installs, with whatever changes and custom software they want =
or don't want.  Many folks use this.  George complains because he is too =
lazy.
  >>=20
  >> Rich
  >>=20
  >>   "Douglas Smith"  wrote
in message =
news:MPG.197205c8617efa2e9896f0{at}news.barkto.com...
  >>   I agree MS should do this, but they aren't likely to even if =
large=20
  >>   corporate customers request it.  Therefore, if falls upon the =
users to
  >>   do what MS should be doing.   Besides, they think if you could =
D/L the
  >>   updated ISO, people would be stealing it right and left.
  >>=20
  >>    - Doug.
  >>=20
  >>=20
  >>   In article , georger{at}nls.net says...
  >>   > "Douglas Smith" 
wrote in message
  >>   > news:MPG.19712e90c301c70a9896ef{at}news.barkto.com...
  >>   >=20
  >>   > > To create a bootable, slip-stream service pack, see
  >>   > > http://www.duspinnst.com/bootcd.htm.  Don't know how you =
could add the
  >>   > > barrage of patches.  Mostly, I don't at our site as it is =
near
  >>   > > impossible for one person to test and rollout the
plethora of =
patches to
  >>   > > 300 workstations.
  >>   >=20
  >>   > Why should millions users have to do this millions of times =
instead of MS
  >>   > doing it once each time a new patch is released?
  >>   >=20
  >>   > When I want an up to date version of Knoppix, I go to =
www.knoppix.com and
  >>   > download the latest build. I don't have to fritz around with =
finding
  >>   > patches, making slipstream cd's, none of this nonsense. I =
download an iso
  >>   > file, click on it and burn a CD, presto I'm current. That is a =
really nice
  >>   > advantage over the way it works with Windows.
  >>   >=20
  >>   > Geo.
  >>   >=20
  >>   >=20
  >>   >

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   I can't
speak for others =
but I'm=20
obviously smarter or more efficient than George and you as I waste no = time=20
figuring out how to secure new installations.  If you are not that
= smart,=20
you can probably ask around and find someone that is capable of = understanding=20
and doing what you can not.
 
   And,
despite George's =
whining and your=20
typical baseless accusations, Microsoft provides customers with the = ability to=20
make their own slipstream installs with any service pack and/or hotfixes = as=20
their own software and even OEM drivers and software.  This has = been=20
discussed several times here.  Don't worry.  No one
expects = you to=20
acknowledge such posts or do anything other than reply to a message to = which you=20
can add your own negative spin.  To do otherwise would go against = your=20
agenda and you lack the ethics for that.
 
Rich
 

  "Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>=20">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>=20
  wrote in message news:3jrggvoja25=
5ptpkjfqpquto06i6p30nic{at}4ax.com...An=20
  interesting question to ponder here: does Microsoft internally =
provideto=20
  its own people the type of release that its customers are asking=20
  forhere?  Or do the Microsoft people waste hours of time =
trying to=20
  figureout how to secure a new
install? /mOn =
Sun, 6=20
  Jul 2003 13:01:08 -0500, Douglas Smith <apteryx{at}megsinet.net>wrot=">mailto:apteryx{at}megsinet.net">apteryx{at}megsinet.net>wrot=
e:>Why=20
  should we the end user have to create our own?  This costs my=20
  >company money by taking me away from my support=20
  functions.>>BTW, have you ever provided
support for a=20
  significant number of users?  >If you had, you might =
change your=20
  tune about some of these issues.>> -=20
  Doug.>>>In article
<3f084f83$1{at}w3.nls.net>,">mailto:3f084f83$1{at}w3.nls.net">3f084f83$1{at}w3.nls.net>,
=
"Rich"=20
  <{at}>
says...>>   
Why?  Microsoft =
has=20
  provided a mechanism for customers to create their own installs, with =
whatever=20
  changes and custom software they want or don't want.  Many folks =
use=20
  this.  George complains because he is too
lazy.>> =
>>=20
  Rich>>
>>   "Douglas Smith"
<apteryx{at}megsinet.net>">mailto:apteryx{at}megsinet.net">apteryx{at}megsinet.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:MPG.197205c=
8617efa2e9896f0{at}news.barkto.com...>>  =20
  I agree MS should do this, but they aren't likely to even if large=20
  >>   corporate customers
request it.  =
Therefore, if=20
  falls upon the users to>>   do
what MS should be=20
  doing.   Besides, they think if you could D/L=20
  the>>   updated ISO, people
would be stealing it =
right and=20
  left.>>
>>    -
Doug.>>=20
  >> >>  
In article <3f07eb8d$1{at}w3.nls.net>,">mailto:3f07eb8d$1{at}w3.nls.net">3f07eb8d$1{at}w3.nls.net>,
=
georger{at}nls.net=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net=20
  says...>>   >
"Douglas Smith" <apteryx{at}megsinet.net>">mailto:apteryx{at}megsinet.net">apteryx{at}megsinet.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message>>   > news:MPG.19712e9=
0c301c70a9896ef{at}news.barkto.com...>>  =20
  > >>   > >
To create a bootable, =
slip-stream=20
  service pack, see>>   >
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tcd.htm. =20
  Don't know how you could add
the>>   > > =
barrage of=20
  patches.  Mostly, I don't at our site as it is=20
  near>>   > >
impossible for one person to =
test and=20
  rollout the plethora of patches
to>>   > > =
300=20
  workstations.>>   >
>>   =
> Why=20
  should millions users have to do this millions of times instead of=20
  MS>>   > doing it once
each time a new patch is =

  released?>>   >
>>   > =
When I=20
  want an up to date version of Knoppix, I go to www.knoppix.com;">http://www.knoppix.com">www.knoppix.com; =
and>>  =20
  > download the latest build. I don't have to fritz around with=20
  finding>>   > patches,
making slipstream cd's, =
none of=20
  this nonsense. I download an
iso>>   > file, =
click on=20
  it and burn a CD, presto I'm current. That is a really=20
  nice>>   > advantage
over the way it works with =

  Windows.>>   >
>>   >=20
  Geo.>>   >
>>   >=20
  >>  
>

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