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echo: surv_rush
to: JEAN HALVERSON
from: ROLAND BALKE
date: 1998-04-16 20:07:00
subject: Time Update& Wake-Up Call

 JH> True, but then the churches would be free to offer a kinder solution.
 JH> Back in Puritan colonies, the church _was_ the school.
 
 RB> I am constrained to point out that the Puritan colonies are nearly two
 RB> and a  half centuries ago.
 JH> 
 JH> Yes, but the church of two and a half centuries ago produced a
 JH> country with a 95% literacy rate.
No argument there.
 
 JH> And it was
 JH> seen as a responsibility of the church to provide the poor with an
 JH> education.
 
 RB> Like the magnificent job the churches in Europe did for the peasentry
 RB> during the Dark Ages?
 JH> 
 JH> Let's talk post reformation clergy here. Martin Luther said that
 JH> public schools would become the very gates of hell. What a prophecy!!!
 
 JH> Now that the government has taken over, we have disjointed
 JH> communities and  parents who believe that it is the government's
 JH> responsibility. 
 
 RB> No argument. The government is a jealous government, wanting no other
 RB> belief entites before it.
 
 RB> Hmm... sounds familiar.
 
 RB> Oh yeah. Two world influencing books have phraseology similar to
 RB> that... one which you can find in most every motel room, and one you
 RB> can find under  Marx in the library.
 
 RB> (For those of you in Rio Linda, the two book in question are the Bible
 RB> and Das Kapital.)
 JH> It's a shame to hear a supposedly intelligent person declare the
 JH> Bible to be on the same footing as the Communist Manifesto. The two
 JH> are not similar, and it looks like you need to do some serious reading
 JH> before you attempt  to make another such comment. Don't make yourself
 JH> look ignorant. 
Ignorant? Moi? Surely you jest ( and I KNOW your name is Jean and not 
hirley)
on that score. Lemme 'splain you why Das Kapital and the Bible are similar.
Both tomes are the foundation of their particular following. 'Kay? 
Whew. Now that that is hammered out, I feel MUCH better.
 JH> Maranatha (for those of you in Las Vegas, that's "The Lord is
 JH> coming") Jean Halverson
I DO know that much Aramaic, Jean. I am always amazed at the fundies that 
quote
this... but isnt that Lord the omniscient, omnipresent, all-knowing Lord? 
Omni-
presence (seems to me) would sort of preclude "The Lord Comes!", 'cuz He is 
already HERE.. and THERE.. and EVERYWHERE... under the doctrine of
omnipresence.
I would appreciate a reply without invective or proselytizing. 
RKB
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