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   I know what George wants Microsoft to build for him.  It doesn't make =
it any less silly especially when he can create it himself if he wishes =
using the mechanism Microsoft designed in to allow it to create his own =
custom installs not just with service packs and hotfixes but with other =
changes of his own.

Rich

  "Glenn Meadows"  wrote in message =
news:3f072a14$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  I also think that what George is looking for, is a source to get a =
full image of the OS that already has the hotfixes/sp's installed ready =
to go, so when deploying or adding a new machine, you don't have to = apply
all the hotfixes/sp's above the level you're installing.

  So, if all you have is a Win2kPro SP0 (No SP installed) disk, but have =
a site license that allows 40 clients, and you're now adding client #35, =
he'd like to be able to get a full image of the latest distribution (not =
have to re-purchase same), so when he installs the software on the new =
computer, he doesn't have to take the next several hours adding SP's, = hot
fixes, etc.

  --=20
  Glenn M.


    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3f071faf{at}w3.nls.net...
       Put aside George's silly idea that full installs be made =
available to him because he is too lazy to create them himself.  (See =
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/support/spde=
ploy.asp and =
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/tools/hfdeploy.asp).

       Running a slipstream install does upgrade in place and all users =
and existing software remain.  This is how I almost always install =
service packs when at work.

    Rich

      "Glenn Meadows"  wrote in message =
news:3f071d64$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      BUT, the problem with doing a "re-install", is that the current =
builds and
      software do NOT allow you to keep installed software, user, etc.  =
I've tried
      that, mostly to no avail.  The ONLY way to get the install to run, =
is to
      allow it to delete the NT folder, and all the users, etc.  You =
have to
      re-install your software.

      I've found this to be true when trying to do a re-install of =
Win2KPro the
      SP3 CD build.  There is NO upgrade Install option, of Win2kPro is =
currently
      installed.  The ONLY option is to blow away the current install, =
and go
      through the hassle of a re-install.  I have NOT tried doing the =
SysPrep
      based install yet. which allows taking a fully installed system, =
and
      converting it to what is called an OEM image style install.  There =
is an
      option to force full hardware detect again, so you can roll up =
pre-installed
      systems with all the software installed to new machines.  This =
MIGHT work to
      allow you to change hardware on an existing system and not have to
      backup/restore, which doesn't properly bring back stuff (or I've =
not figured
      out the magic incantation.

      On the original Win2kPro NON SP based version CD, you can do a =
re-install
      over the top of the existing OS, and nothing is lost on installed =
apps.  MS
      made a change somewhere along the line of Win2KPro to prevent a =
re-install.
      I have a Non-SP Win2kPro CD, and on a system that would NOT allow =
without
      deleting the existing installation (didn't format the disk, just =
deleted all
      the Win2K files and started over), I used the original Win2KPro =
CD, and I
      was able to re-install the OS.  Then had to apply SP3, but that's =
no real
      big deal.

      Heck, I've got a license for the machine, a license for the =
software, but it
      just won't allow an upgrade/repair style install that goes over =
the top of
      the existing install.

      --
      Glenn M.


      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3f06fe1c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      > somehow I don't think we are communicating here.. I was saying I =
think MS
      > should be putting out a current build full distribution ISO =
instead of
      this
      > stupid barrage of patches and service packs. What I want is to =
go to the
      MS
      > website, type in my serial number and download in iso build of =
NT that is
      > current up to the minute patched so after installing I'm =
current.
      >
      > Geo.
      >
      >  wrote in message
      > news:f09845.e36000{at}harborwebs.com...
      > > -=3D> Quoting Geo. to Mike '/m' <=3D-
      > >
      > >  Ge> With Windows, MS and their pirate paranoia will never =
allow us to
      do
      > >  Ge> the current distro thing so we have to suffer with a 3 =
year old
      > >  Ge> distribution, a service pack, a download of current =
drivers, and a
      > >  Ge> boatload of hotfixes. 
      > >
      > > What do you find unacceptable in Slipstreaming?
      > >
      > > Richard
      > >
      > > ... If this post also applies to you, then that's =
unintentional
      > >
      > > --- FMail/386 1.02
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      >
      >


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   I know
what George wants =
Microsoft to=20
build for him.  It doesn't make it any less silly especially when
= he can=20
create it himself if he wishes using the mechanism Microsoft designed in = to=20
allow it to create his own custom installs not just with service packs = and=20
hotfixes but with other changes of his own.
 
Rich
 

  "Glenn Meadows" <gmeadow{at}comcast.net>">mailto:gmeadow{at}comcast.net">gmeadow{at}comcast.net>
wrote =
in message=20
  news:3f072a14$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  I also think that what George is looking for, is a source to get =
a full=20
  image of the OS that already has the hotfixes/sp's installed ready to =
go, so=20
  when deploying or adding a new machine, you don't have to apply all =
the=20
  hotfixes/sp's above the level you're installing.
   
  So, if all you have is a Win2kPro SP0 (No SP installed) disk, but =
have a=20
  site license that allows 40 clients, and you're now adding client #35, =
he'd=20
  like to be able to get a full image of the latest distribution (not =
have to=20
  re-purchase same), so when he installs the software on the new =
computer, he=20
  doesn't have to take the next several hours adding SP's, hot fixes, =
etc.
  -- Glenn M.
   
   
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3f071faf{at}w3.nls.net...
       Put
aside George's =
silly idea that=20
    full installs be made available to him because he is too lazy to =
create them=20
    himself.  (See http://search.microsoft.com/gomsuri.asp?n=3D9&c=3Drp_Results&=
amp;siteid=3Dus/itresources&target=3Dhttp://www.microsoft.com/technet=
/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/support/spdeploy.asp">http://www.microsoft.c=
om/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/support/spdeploy.asp and =

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/tools/hfdeploy.as=
p">http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/tools/hfdeploy.asp;=
).
     
      
Running a slipstream =
install does=20
    upgrade in place and all users and existing software remain.  =
This is=20
    how I almost always install service packs when at work.
     
    Rich
     
    
      "Glenn Meadows" <gmeadow{at}comcast.net>">mailto:gmeadow{at}comcast.net">gmeadow{at}comcast.net>
=
wrote in=20
      message news:3f071d64$1{at}w3.nls.net...BUT,=20
      the problem with doing a "re-install", is that the current builds=20
      andsoftware do NOT allow you to keep installed software, user, =

      etc.  I've triedthat, mostly to no
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way to=20
      get the install to run, is toallow it to delete the NT folder, =
and all=20
      the users, etc.  You have tore-install your =
software.I've=20
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      theSP3 CD build.  There is NO upgrade Install option, of =
Win2kPro=20
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the=20
      current install, and gothrough the hassle of a =
re-install.  I=20
      have NOT tried doing the SysPrepbased install yet. which =
allows taking=20
      a fully installed system, andconverting it to what is called =
an OEM=20
      image style install.  There is anoption to force full =
hardware=20
      detect again, so you can roll up pre-installedsystems with all =
the=20
      software installed to new machines.  This MIGHT work =
toallow you=20
      to change hardware on an existing system and not have=20
      tobackup/restore, which doesn't properly bring back stuff (or =
I've not=20
      figuredout the magic incantation.On the
original =
Win2kPro NON=20
      SP based version CD, you can do a re-installover the top of =
the=20
      existing OS, and nothing is lost on installed apps.  =
MSmade a=20
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re-install.I=20
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disk,=20
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original=20
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license=20
      for the machine, a license for the software, but itjust won't =
allow an=20
      upgrade/repair style install that goes over the top ofthe =
existing=20
      install.--Glenn
M."Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:3f06fe1c$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>=20
      somehow I don't think we are communicating here.. I was saying I =
think=20
      MS> should be putting out a current build full distribution =
ISO=20
      instead ofthis> stupid barrage of patches
and service =
packs.=20
      What I want is to go to theMS> website, type in my =
serial=20
      number and download in iso build of NT that is> current up =
to the=20
      minute patched so after installing I'm
current.>>=20
      Geo.>> <Richard.Town{at}harborwebs.commailto:Richard.Town{at}harborwebs.com">Richard.Town{at}harborwebs.com
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      wrote in message> news:f09845.e36000{at}harborwebs.=
com...>=20
      > -=3D> Quoting Geo. to Mike '/m'
<=3D-> =
>>=20
      >  Ge> With Windows, MS and their pirate paranoia will =
never=20
      allow us todo> > 
Ge> the current distro =
thing so we=20
      have to suffer with a 3 year old> > 
Ge> =
distribution, a=20
      service pack, a download of current drivers, and a> =
> =20
      Ge> boatload of hotfixes.
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> What=20
      do you find unacceptable in Slipstreaming?>
>> =
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      Richard> >> > ... If
this post also applies to =
you,=20
      then that's unintentional>
>> > --- FMail/386=20
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