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   Because you create what you want.  What does a large number of users =
have to do with this?  George is whining about an install point for new =
installations not existing ones.  I would be very suspecious if you are =
performing full upgrades on all yours users just to apply any updates?  =
For new installations, especially if you are a large organization, I =
suspect you have a standard configuration with Windows, applications, = etc
and that you build and test this configuration before deploying.

Rich

  "Douglas Smith"  wrote in message =
news:MPG.19721fdb52549a629896f1{at}news.barkto.com...
  Why should we the end user have to create our own?  This costs my=20
  company money by taking me away from my support functions.

  BTW, have you ever provided support for a significant number of users? =
=20
  If you had, you might change your tune about some of these issues.

   - Doug.


  In article , "Rich"  says...
  >    Why?  Microsoft has provided a mechanism for customers to create =
their own installs, with whatever changes and custom software they want =
or don't want.  Many folks use this.  George complains because he is too =
lazy.
  >=20
  > Rich
  >=20
  >   "Douglas Smith"  wrote in message =
news:MPG.197205c8617efa2e9896f0{at}news.barkto.com...
  >   I agree MS should do this, but they aren't likely to even if large =

  >   corporate customers request it.  Therefore, if falls upon the =
users to
  >   do what MS should be doing.   Besides, they think if you could D/L =
the
  >   updated ISO, people would be stealing it right and left.
  >=20
  >    - Doug.
  >=20
  >=20
  >   In article , georger{at}nls.net says...
  >   > "Douglas Smith"  wrote in message
  >   > news:MPG.19712e90c301c70a9896ef{at}news.barkto.com...
  >   >=20
  >   > > To create a bootable, slip-stream service pack, see
  >   > > http://www.duspinnst.com/bootcd.htm.  Don't know how you could =
add the
  >   > > barrage of patches.  Mostly, I don't at our site as it is near
  >   > > impossible for one person to test and rollout the plethora of =
patches to
  >   > > 300 workstations.
  >   >=20
  >   > Why should millions users have to do this millions of times =
instead of MS
  >   > doing it once each time a new patch is released?
  >   >=20
  >   > When I want an up to date version of Knoppix, I go to =
www.knoppix.com and
  >   > download the latest build. I don't have to fritz around with =
finding
  >   > patches, making slipstream cd's, none of this nonsense. I =
download an iso
  >   > file, click on it and burn a CD, presto I'm current. That is a =
really nice
  >   > advantage over the way it works with Windows.
  >   >=20
  >   > Geo.
  >   >=20
  >   >=20
  >   >
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   Because
you create what =
you=20
want.  What does a large number of users have to do with =
this?  George=20
is whining about an install point for new installations not existing =
ones. =20
I would be very suspecious if you are performing full upgrades on all = yours=20
users just to apply any updates?  For new installations,
especially = if you=20
are a large organization, I suspect you have a standard configuration = with=20
Windows, applications, etc and that you build and test this = configuration before=20
deploying.
 
Rich
 

  "Douglas Smith" <apteryx{at}megsinet.net>">mailto:apteryx{at}megsinet.net">apteryx{at}megsinet.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:MPG.19721fd=
b52549a629896f1{at}news.barkto.com...Why=20
  should we the end user have to create our own?  This costs my =
company=20
  money by taking me away from my support functions.BTW, have =
you ever=20
  provided support for a significant number of users?  If you =
had, you=20
  might change your tune about some of these
issues. -=20
  Doug.In article <3f084f83$1{at}w3.nls.net>,">mailto:3f084f83$1{at}w3.nls.net">3f084f83$1{at}w3.nls.net>,
=
"Rich"=20
  <{at}> says...>   
Why?  Microsoft has =
provided=20
  a mechanism for customers to create their own installs, with whatever =
changes=20
  and custom software they want or don't want.  Many folks use =
this. =20
  George complains because he is too lazy.>
> Rich> =

  >   "Douglas Smith" <apteryx{at}megsinet.net>">mailto:apteryx{at}megsinet.net">apteryx{at}megsinet.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:MPG.197205c=
8617efa2e9896f0{at}news.barkto.com...>  =20
  I agree MS should do this, but they aren't likely to even if large=20
  >   corporate customers request
it.  Therefore, =
if falls=20
  upon the users to>   do what MS should be =
doing.  =20
  Besides, they think if you could D/L
the>   updated =
ISO,=20
  people would be stealing it right and left.> =
>   =20
  - Doug.> >
>   In article <3f07eb8d$1{at}w3.nls.net>,">mailto:3f07eb8d$1{at}w3.nls.net">3f07eb8d$1{at}w3.nls.net>,
=
georger{at}nls.net">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net =
says...>  =20
  > "Douglas Smith" <apteryx{at}megsinet.net>">mailto:apteryx{at}megsinet.net">apteryx{at}megsinet.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message>   > news:MPG.19712e9=
0c301c70a9896ef{at}news.barkto.com...>  =20
  > >   > > To
create a bootable, slip-stream =
service=20
  pack, see>   > > http://www.duspinnst.com/boo" target="new">http://www.duspinnst.com/boo=">http://www.duspinnst.com/bootcd.htm">http://www.duspinnst.com/boo=
tcd.htm. =20
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> > barrage =
of=20
  patches.  Mostly, I don't at our site as it is =
near>  =20
  > > impossible for one person to test and rollout the plethora =
of=20
  patches to>   > > 300 =
workstations.>  =20
  > >   > Why should
millions users have to do =
this=20
  millions of times instead of MS>  
> doing it once =
each=20
  time a new patch is released?>   > =
>  =20
  > When I want an up to date version of Knoppix, I go to www.knoppix.com;">http://www.knoppix.com">www.knoppix.com; =
and>   >=20
  download the latest build. I don't have to fritz around with=20
  finding>   > patches, making
slipstream cd's, none =
of this=20
  nonsense. I download an iso>  
> file, click on it =
and=20
  burn a CD, presto I'm current. That is a really =
nice>   >=20
  advantage over the way it works with
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  >   >
Geo.>   > =
>  =20
  > >  
>

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