PD> Faults don't worry me.  It's the dupe ring itself.  As I have said
 PD> before we (Amiga users) have to keep our house in order, because
 PD> IBM sysops providing links can easily find a solution to a dupe
 PD> ring by cutting links.  (Hmmmmmmm). 

 AS> True, up to a point.  I cut the feed between here and Trev when 
 AS> I began receiving a full (uncontrolled) feed from the US because 
 AS> of the dupe loop it would have caused.

"Uncontrolled?"  Struth.  Problem is, now a msg from net 640 will
have to go via zone 1 and then zone 2 before coming back.  Would have been
better to cut it at zone 1 (if possible), or at least drop the zone 1
system from the export-to list and let em go bad.  The "OzLink"
backbone link was getting the echo around.  Without it, there are problems
because of the ad-hocery of Amiga systems' links.

 AS> The major problem the Amiga has is its own supporters, not the 
 AS> IBM sysops.

Hmmm, for the less-than-popular echoes, yes.  (We could never get some
support echoes "backboned").  But TRAPDOOR has been on the zone 3
"backbone" for at least 6 years, and it was very convenient
having it distributed that way.

 AS>  As an example;  Amiganet in Qld has been 
 AS> disconnected for almost 2 months because an NC is offline 
 AS> "temporarily", with support like that it's no wonder systems 
 AS> begin closing.

Yes, I won't argue with that!

 AS> That said, I'm actually in here looking for an AmigaNet feed. :)

Only one place to go, Chris Quonoey, 3:633/359.  He links directly with
Robert Hofmann in Zone 2, and feeds most if not all AMiganet hubs.  He will
want $7 a month for the feed, however, plus $7 a month from anyone you feed
the echoes to.

 PD> Nah, strictly speaking it IS correct.  I'm still importing it. 
 PD> It's just only going to 711/439 and net 622 from below here.  Alwyn
 PD> Smiths gate for it must be getting on to Net 640.  That leaves
 PD> anyone else without a feed for TRAPDOOR at all :-(

 AS> It's unlikely to leave Net 640 while there is a chance I will 
 AS> cop flak over dupe loops.  All my downlinks know that should 
 AS> they, or one of their downlinks, cause a dupe loop I will sever 
 AS> the link from here immediately, without notice.

The only other possible gate is my system here.  I don't want to cut the
gate because I want the TRAPDOOR echo, but if it was reliably available I'd
cut my gate instantly because I simply can't afford it, whereas your link
in zone 1 would supply you with a number of other echoes, I imagine? :-) 
If you do link it to Trev's, send me a netmail and I will cut the link here
on receipt.

  Mea Culpa,
 Peter Deane

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