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   That is not what George is asking.  George wants new ISOs every =
single time any hotfix is made available.  For example, George wants new =
ISOs built and tested for the issue at =
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;819628.  It is =
not sufficient for him to do this himself if important to him.  When he =
made this same foolish claim earlier and questioned about it he never =
answered the question of what to do with people that want only selected =
hotfixes.  Does every possible permutation need to be built and tested?  =
Does he do this himself today?

Rich

  "Douglas Smith"  wrote in message =
news:MPG.19726326f476072d9896f2{at}news.barkto.com...
  What is the big problem in creating say a Windows 2000 SP3 ISO that we =

  could download?  Are they available internally?

  You didn't answer my question if you have ever provided support to=20
  users.

   - Doug.


  In article , "Rich"  says...
  >    Because you create what you want.  What does a large number of =
users have to do with this?  George is whining about an install point = for
new installations not existing ones.  I would be very suspecious if = you
are performing full upgrades on all yours users just to apply any =
updates?  For new installations, especially if you are a large =
organization, I suspect you have a standard configuration with Windows,=20
  applications, etc and that you build and test this configuration =
before deploying.
  >=20
  > Rich
  >=20
  >   "Douglas Smith"  wrote in message =
news:MPG.19721fdb52549a629896f1{at}news.barkto.com...
  >   Why should we the end user have to create our own?  This costs my=20
  >   company money by taking me away from my support functions.
  >=20
  >   BTW, have you ever provided support for a significant number of =
users? =20
  >   If you had, you might change your tune about some of these issues.
  >=20
  >    - Doug.
  >=20
  >=20
  >   In article , "Rich"  says...
  >   >    Why?  Microsoft has provided a mechanism for customers to =
create their own installs, with whatever changes and custom software = they
want or don't want.  Many folks use this.  George complains because = he is
too lazy.
  >   >=20
  >   > Rich
  >   >=20
  >   >   "Douglas Smith" 
wrote in message =
news:MPG.197205c8617efa2e9896f0{at}news.barkto.com...
  >   >   I agree MS should do this, but they aren't likely to even if =
large
  >   >   corporate customers request it.  Therefore, if falls upon the =
users to
  >   >   do what MS should be doing.   Besides, they think if you could =
D/L the
  >   >   updated ISO, people would be stealing it right and left.
  >   >=20
  >   >    - Doug.
  >   >=20
  >   >=20
  >   >   In article , georger{at}nls.net says...
  >   >   > "Douglas Smith" 
wrote in message
  >   >   > news:MPG.19712e90c301c70a9896ef{at}news.barkto.com...
  >   >   >=20
  >   >   > > To create a bootable, slip-stream service pack, see
  >   >   > > http://www.duspinnst.com/bootcd.htm.  Don't know how you =
could add the
  >   >   > > barrage of patches.  Mostly, I don't at our site as it is =
near
  >   >   > > impossible for one person to test and rollout the
plethora =
of patches to
  >   >   > > 300 workstations.
  >   >   >=20
  >   >   > Why should millions users have to do this millions of times =
instead of MS
  >   >   > doing it once each time a new patch is released?
  >   >   >=20
  >   >   > When I want an up to date version of Knoppix, I go to =
www.knoppix.com and
  >   >   > download the latest build. I don't have to fritz around with =
finding
  >   >   > patches, making slipstream cd's, none of this nonsense. I =
download an iso
  >   >   > file, click on it and burn a CD, presto I'm current. That is =
a really nice
  >   >   > advantage over the way it works with Windows.
  >   >   >=20
  >   >   > Geo.
  >   >   >=20
  >   >   >
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   That is
not what George is =

asking.  George wants new ISOs every single time any hotfix is made =

available.  For example, George wants new ISOs built and tested for = the=20
issue at http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;819628"=
>.&nb" target="new">http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;819628.&nb=
sp;=20
It is not sufficient for him to do this himself if important to =
him.  When=20
he made this same foolish claim earlier and questioned about it he never =

answered the question of what to do with people that want only selected=20
hotfixes.  Does every possible permutation need to be built and=20
tested?  Does he do this himself today?
 
Rich
 

  "Douglas Smith" <apteryx{at}megsinet.net>">mailto:apteryx{at}megsinet.net">apteryx{at}megsinet.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:MPG.1972632=
6f476072d9896f2{at}news.barkto.com...What=20
  is the big problem in creating say a Windows 2000 SP3 ISO that we =
could=20
  download?  Are they available internally?You didn't =
answer my=20
  question if you have ever provided support to =
users. -=20
  Doug.In article <3f08870f{at}w3.nls.net>,">mailto:3f08870f{at}w3.nls.net">3f08870f{at}w3.nls.net>,
=
"Rich"=20
  <{at}> says...>   
Because you create what =
you=20
  want.  What does a large number of users have to do with =
this? =20
  George is whining about an install point for new installations not =
existing=20
  ones.  I would be very suspecious if you are performing full =
upgrades on=20
  all yours users just to apply any updates?  For new =
installations,=20
  especially if you are a large organization, I suspect you have a =
standard=20
  configuration with Windows, applications, etc and that you build =
and test=20
  this configuration before deploying.> >
Rich>=20
  >   "Douglas Smith" <apteryx{at}megsinet.net>">mailto:apteryx{at}megsinet.net">apteryx{at}megsinet.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:MPG.19721fd=
b52549a629896f1{at}news.barkto.com...>  =20
  Why should we the end user have to create our own?  This costs my =

  >   company money by taking me away
from my support=20
  functions.> >   BTW,
have you ever provided =
support=20
  for a significant number of users? 
>   If you =
had, you=20
  might change your tune about some of these issues.>=20
  >    -
Doug.> > =
>   In=20
  article <3f084f83$1{at}w3.nls.net>,">mailto:3f084f83$1{at}w3.nls.net">3f084f83$1{at}w3.nls.net>,
=
"Rich"=20
  <{at}> says...>  
>    =
Why? =20
  Microsoft has provided a mechanism for customers to create their own =
installs,=20
  with whatever changes and custom software they want or don't =
want.  Many=20
  folks use this.  George complains because he is too=20
  lazy.>   >
>   >=20
  Rich>   >
>   >   =
"Douglas=20
  Smith" <apteryx{at}megsinet.net>=20">mailto:apteryx{at}megsinet.net">apteryx{at}megsinet.net>=20
  wrote in message news:MPG.197205c=
8617efa2e9896f0{at}news.barkto.com...>  =20
  >   I agree MS should do this, but they aren't likely to =
even if=20
  large>   >  
corporate customers request =

  it.  Therefore, if falls upon the users
to>  =20
  >   do what MS should be
doing.   Besides, they =
think=20
  if you could D/L the>  
>   updated ISO, =
people=20
  would be stealing it right and
left.>   >=20
  >   >    - =
Doug.>   >=20
  >   >
>   >   In =
article=20
  <3f07eb8d$1{at}w3.nls.net>,">mailto:3f07eb8d$1{at}w3.nls.net">3f07eb8d$1{at}w3.nls.net>,
georger{at}nls.net">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net =
says...>  =20
  >   > "Douglas Smith" <apteryx{at}megsinet.net>">mailto:apteryx{at}megsinet.net">apteryx{at}megsinet.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message>  
>   > news:MPG.19712e9=
0c301c70a9896ef{at}news.barkto.com...>  =20
  >   >
>   >  
> > =
To=20
  create a bootable, slip-stream service pack,
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>   =
>=20
  > barrage of patches.  Mostly, I don't at our site as it is=20
  near>   >  
> > impossible for one =
person=20
  to test and rollout the plethora of patches
to>  =20
  >   > > 300
workstations.>  =20
  >   >
>   >  
> Why =
should=20
  millions users have to do this millions of times instead of=20
  MS>   >  
> doing it once each time a =
new=20
  patch is released?>  
>   >=20
  >   >  
> When I want an up to date =
version=20
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  and>   >  
> download the latest =
build. I=20
  don't have to fritz around with finding>   =
>  =20
  > patches, making slipstream cd's, none of this nonsense. I =
download an=20
  iso>   >  
> file, click on it and =
burn a CD,=20
  presto I'm current. That is a really nice>   =
>  =20
  > advantage over the way it works with
Windows.>   =

  >   >
>   >  
>=20
  Geo.>   >  
> >  =20
  >   >

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