On Oct 9, 1:24 pm, Josh Hill  wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:56:32 -0700, "David E. Powell"
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> >On Oct 7, 11:00 pm, Josh Hill  wrote:
> >> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:52:23 -0700, "David E. Powell"
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> >> >On Oct 7, 10:21 am, Josh Hill  wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:56:18 -0400, "Hank
Arnold (MVP)"
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> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >Captain Infinity wrote:
> >> >> >> In "The 22 Most Awful Moments in
Science Fiction"
> >> >> >> At Something Awful
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>>http://www.somethingawful.com/d/most-awful/most-awful-scifi.php
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> >> >> >> Captain Infinity
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> >> >> >The guy is a raving idiot.
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> >> >> I'm sure Stanley Kubrick, Isaac Asimov, and JMS are,
er, suitably
> >> >> abashed.
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> >> >I didn't know about Frank Miller and the RoboCop stuff,
in his defense
> >> >III was much better than II was.
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> >> Didn't see it. Don't remember II all that well, either. But then, I
> >> wasn't a big fan of the original . . .
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> >Well, let's just say that a lot of things were better than RC II. I
> >can see Miller's point about Studio influence, because I can imagine
> >the things that suits thought would work forced in. "Ooh... wait, we
> >know kids like RoboCop.. so put a kid in there!" So they make a top
> >crook and drug dealer like a 12 year old or something. No, not some
> >street kid, but a guy in a suit no less. (Then again it was the 1980s
> >and that was in.)  Then I can see the people at the studio saying:
> >"Oh, wait, we have a video game out! Let's put the arcade game in the
> >actual movie!" Never mind that this is set decades in the future, and
> >who is going to have 1980s games still as the most advanced things in
> >an arcade then? And where did all this glitter come from in the dark
> >city of the first movie?
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> >RC III was actually a decent grafting of the Cyberpunk/Eastern style
> >influences into RoboCop as well as the corporate stuff of the 80s with
> >the US and Japan. (Seen from a more gentle perspective in
"Die Hard"
> >and a comedy called "Gung Ho.") Unfortunately the budget
was reduced
> >and Peter Weller had taken off for other parts by the time it came up.
> >(After part II I really can't blame the man, he's a legit History
> >professor as well as an actor so he has a lot of stuff he likes doing
> >and can use his judgement to pick his projects.) It also let one of
> >the coolest guys through the past 2 movies become head of OCP, and
> >that was both a nice thing to see because he was a nice guy, and also
> >sort of a "Peter Principle" commentary because he was the only guy
> >left! It still was nice to see him in charge at the end :)
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> >I still think that if RC III had been RC II, it would have been much
> >better for everyone. The jet pack for Robocop was a bit much,
> >though. ;)
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> >Mainly because the flying effects budget wasn't that great, it still
> >wasn't as horible as the effects in Superman IV were. Then again they
> >could have rotoscoped things on luncheon meat and not looked as bad as
> >Superman IV's effects did.
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> >As for why I like the original Robocop, well it is a good action
> >piece, as a kid I dug it, but also I have a wierd sense of humor and
> >so does Verhoeven in the original RC, so I like it there too for the
> >commentary on stuff like business practices, the media, etc.
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> >(On a similar note, I absolutely loved Starship Troopers from the
> >black humor perspective, though I love Heinlein's books and know the
> >arguments of the purists have a lot of weight.)
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> I confess I'm one of the purists. I mean, the movie robbed the book of
> most of its thought and intelligence -- which is pretty much par for a
> movie. But in the process of doing that, they lost the message, made
> Heinlein seem like a fascist rather than the libertarian that he was.

True, the movie was basically a parody of Fascism in a lot of ways,
and indoctrination. Problem was that Heinlein wasn't that.

What I would really like to see would be a properly done version of
"The Long Watch" as a movie. I think that story remains very relevant
today.

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> Josh
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