KR> at close range, an autoloading shottie would be about the most effective 
KR> weapon immaginable.

 BG> True, but they're all only 3 or 5-shot weapons, and not really suited
 BG> to mass slaughter of "innocent" civilians.  They do tend to make a
 BG> mess though.

KR> in that situation, i think that i'd prefer one of the 
KR> yank ones with a drum magazine to an uzi.

 BG> Given that the US mandated some years ago for a reduction in shotgun
 BG> magazine capacity from 5 rounds to 3, isn't the drum magazine illegal?

i dont know about shotguns, they certainly legislated about automatic
pistols. i saw a program on tv about when i was in the us, all new
magazines have a set maximum capacity, i think 9 rounds. older 15 round
magazines are legal but they can't sell new ones. for this reason, gun
dealers have been offering new pistols to police departments at a big
discount if they trade their old ones in. this is just so they can get the
old large capacity magazines. amazingly, the program reported that the cops
were taking up the offer enthusiastically! i'd think that the cops would be
the last people to want to see the more big magazines out on the streets.

BG> It is when it ain't gunna work, Bob.  Do you honestly believe that
BG> even ONE single crim is going to voluntarily surrender his firearm? 
BG> And I for one flatly refuse to sleep here without a weapon underneath
BG> the bed, so that every man and his dog can walk in and shoot, rob, or
BG> rape my family.  Fuck that.

KR> thats called paranoia bill (:

 BG> Call it what you like Keith, but as they STILL haven't found the prick
 BG> who murdered the woman 2 doors down the street (8 months ago now), the
 BG> fact that there is a gun in my house lets me sleep at night, and Lyn
 BG> actually feels even more strongly about it than I do.  We've also had
 BG> fuckwits driving around our suburb firing heavy calibre guns from
 BG> their car two nights in succession now, and tonight probably won't be
 BG> any different.

BG> As far as I'm concerned, it is my basic human right to be able to
BG> protect myself and my family from predators, and if I need a gun for
BG> that, so be it.

statistics seem to show that, if someone is going to bump you off, its most
likely to be a rellie, or friend, a gun easily to hand facilitates that.

i dont have any problem with people who want to go target or skeet
shooting, or feral animal hunting having the guns that they need, as long
as they are securely stored. that would stop one supply of guns, it would
apear that the tassie loony stole his gun from an insecure gun collection.
of course, guns stored like that are no good for self defence, but then the
thought of large numbers of probably very nervous citizens having guns to
hand is a frightening thought, if the senile old bugger next door mistakes
you for a prowler when you are putting the bin out for instance.

                               keith
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