Greg Mayman (3:800/449) wrote to Steven Horn at 09:30 on 03 May 2003:

 GM> Good, but I wonder why they used that word "client". No answer
 GM> required, just musing about it...

When your system is trying to reach the FTP server, it is part of a network
hence the allusion to a server/client relationship.

 GM> I can logon with Arachne then jump to FTP-WIZ and back to Arachne
 GM> as much as I like, without the need to logoff and logon as I go
 GM> from one to another. Since every new logon costs me 22c for
 GM> another local phone connection, the less times I do it the
 GM> better!

Good on you.

 SH> programs for accessing the Internet that require packet drivers don't
 SH> like the Windows 2000 packet driver I have loaded.  FTP07 simply quits
 SH> when I try to run it in a DOS box.

 GM> Can't you unload the Win2k packet driver? Or reboot without
 GM> reloading it?

Life should be that easy but Windows 2000 (and NT and XP) don't have a DOS kernel.

In fact, device drivers are not supposed to get close to the kernel as the
following indicates:

This is Charles Cruden to Ross Cassell:

======================
Got a NIC?  Run a DOS based packet driver for it in the CMD shell.  That'll
cause NT/2K to lock up.  Haven't tried it in XP, but I'd imagine it's the same
thing.  Standardised interfaces (serial ports, parallel ports, the VGA buffer)
are provided via HAL [Hardware Abstraction Layer] so CMD is happy to play
along with DOS programs which use them.  It's when it tries to access
hardware which isn't being emulated through the HAL that CMD tends to have
behave unfortunately.  (e.g. drivers for any hardware not included with a
bare puter: NIC, sound card, SCSI card, etc.) 
======================

I can unload the driver although I'm not sure I'd want to as I'd lose my
Internet connection.  And if I loaded a DOS packet driver, that would be my
lockup of the week.
 
 GM> I found a package containing software to release selected TSRs. The
 GM> header for the doc file shows it is TSR Utilities Version 3.5 by
 GM> Kim Kokkonen TurboPower Software 10/18/93. In spite of its great
 GM> age, it works well with MS-DOS 6.22. Whether it will work with the
 GM> DOS behind Win2k is another matter...

Thereis no DOS behind Win2K.  The DOS it has is an emulator.

 GM> Look for TRSCOM29.ZIP at http://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/>. Sorry i can't
 GM> get you closer but I don't have a copy of the full index to the
 GM> site -- perhaps i should download it some time ;-)

I think I still have a copy around somewhere.

 GM> As I said, the problem is now solved, and in just the way I
 GM> wanted!

And not many can say that.:-)

Take care,

Steven Horn (steven_a_horn{at}yahoo.ca)
Moderator, ALASKA_CHAT 
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