KR> i dont know about shotguns, they certainly legislated about

KR> automatic pistols. i saw a program on tv about when i was in the

KR> us, all new magazines have a set maximum capacity, i think 9 rounds.

KR> older 15 round magazines are legal but they can't sell new ones.



 RS> Quite a bit of that US law has just been reversed.



which parts?



BG> I for one flatly refuse to sleep here without a weapon

BG> underneath the bed, so that every man and his dog can

BG> walk in and shoot, rob, or rape my family.  Fuck that.



KR> thats called paranoia bill (:



BG> Call it what you like Keith, but as they STILL haven't found

BG> the prick who murdered the woman 2 doors down the street (8

BG> months ago now), the fact that there is a gun in my house lets

BG> me sleep at night, and Lyn actually feels even more strongly

BG> about it than I do. We've also had fuckwits driving around our

BG> suburb firing heavy calibre guns from their car two nights in

BG> succession now, and tonight probably won't be any different.



BG> As far as I'm concerned, it is my basic human right to be able to protect

BG> myself and my family from predators, and if I need a gun for that, so be it



KR> statistics seem to show that, if someone is going to

KR> bump you off, its most likely to be a rellie, or friend,



 RS> Yes, but FIVE times as many of those are done with other than a gun.



probably less than 1 in 5 homes have a gun.



KR> a gun easily to hand facilitates that.



 RS> Thats the claim, pity the evidence to substantiate it is so

 RS> completely fucked tho. Tiny problem with Switzerland, Israel,

 RS> Sweden etc where they do have full military assault weapons

 RS> in their homes in massive numbers and they dont get that result.



KR> i dont have any problem with people who want to go target

KR> or skeet shooting, or feral animal hunting having the guns

KR> that they need, as long as they are securely stored.



 RS> Soorree, YOU dont get to proclaim in what you do or do not have

 RS> a problem with. WE get to decide what we want to do on that stuff.



oh the royal plural again your majesty. it must be nice being the queen of

hearts, although the mad hatter would be more appropriate.



KR> that would stop one supply of guns,



 RS> Bullshit it would, you might care to explain how, when we have had

 RS> handgun laws much more strict than what we propose now with long

 RS> arms, that it hasnt done that. And hasnt got within a bulls roar of

 RS> doing that either. 



and what levels of handguns are there out in the community then. it is even

distinctly arguable that much care is taken in handing out handgun licences

anyway, almost anyone in the security industry can get one, there have been some

very interesting exposes on that. 



 RS> Ditto poms, they have had much lower levels of guns in homes than us

 RS> for a long time, didnt stop Dunblane tho. 



there is no way that you can totally rule out stuff like that only reduce it's

likelyhood, also the poms have been much laxer in *enforcing* their rules in

recent years. 



 RS> Its a nice theory, pity about the reality tho.



KR> it would apear that the tassie loony stole

KR> his gun from an insecure gun collection.



 RS> And if that was not possible, he could have just bought them,

 RS> he was rolling in it. That just happened to be convenient.



how come it was more convenient? would it have happened if these guns

had not been

available?



KR> of course, guns stored like that are no good for self defence,



 RS> Yep, so you dont get to proclaim that we cant have them. Soorree.



very sorreee yore majesty



KR> but then the thought of large numbers of probably very

KR> nervous citizens having guns to hand is a frightening thought,



 RS> Stiff shit, thats YOUR problem, we have been doing it like that

 RS> for well over a hundred years now, you dont approve, YOUR problem.



i didn't realise that you were that old, stll it does explain the extreme

senility that you display.



KR> if the senile old bugger next door mistakes you for

KR> a prowler when you are putting the bin out for instance.



 RS> Thats life, we have managed fine for a hundred years now, not the

 RS> slightest point in going into headless chicken mode, run in circles,

 RS> scream and shout, now. You dont like it, stiff shit, those who think

 RS> the new gun laws stink will ignore them. The ONLY people who will obey

 RS> the law are those who are arent a problem ANYWAY. Talk about mindless.



it would seem yore majesty that you are the one in headless chicken mode,

running around in circles proclaiming that others cannot make proclamaitions cos

your the queen. it is a pity though that it looks like those who have the power

to make proclamations in this country think that you and your ilk are mindless

fuckwits and will be hunted down like vermin if you dont hand your toys over.

should be a good show "come out quietly yor majesty or the dog gets it!"



                        keith





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