BL> I am sorry you feel so insecure.

BG> So would you, if your neighbour had been murdered by someone
BG> who's still at large, and if you had complete fuckwits driving
BG> around firing high-powered rifles half the night.

RS> That sort of thing has been going on for a long time.

BG> Sure, but 11 years ago, not around here.  Things have changed since then.

I find that hard to believe, particularly with murder. Austs murder rate has
been static for 50 years now. And you said to Bob, 'so would you' when he was
at one time living in another area notorious for that sort of stuff. Long ago.

BG> Logan is the juvenile crime capital of Australia.

RS> Depends on what you call crime tho. Its not true of say murder.

BG> Criminal offences perpetrated by juveniles.  It's well documented.

Which is mostly relatively trivial stuff. Not murder, that
we happened to actually be discussing you need a gun for etc.

RS> Some of the coon settlements have fucking unbelievable murder rates,
RS> actually worse than the worst of the Washington DC drug ghettos.

BG> Yeah, no argument with that at all.

BL> Actually, I wouldn't find Logan that insecure.

BG> Oh really?  Try walking your dog around here then.  Go on.  :)

RS> Probably safer than say Redfern.

BG> In Eveleigh Street, sure (unless you have a black lab).  :)

BL> I grew up in Newtown.

BG> The violence of 40 years ago is nothing like the violence of today.

RS> Thats not true actually, the murder rate has been STATIC for
RS> well over fifty years, in fact if anything its dropped a little.

BG> I know that,

So your going on about guns and murder close to you has a problem.

BG> and I'm not actually talking about murder at all (the fellow who
BG> killed his entire family just up the road, that was a one-off).

Fraid you were Bill, we were discussing those who felt the
need to have a gun in their house for that sort of thing.

BG> Within the last 6 months at our small local shopping centre,
BG> Lyn has been physically attacked by a couple of coons (armed
BG> with fucking broomsticks of all things) and has also returned
BG> to her car to find somebody attempting to break into it.

Sure, but we were discussing guns in homes.
Presumably she doesnt actually take the gun to work etc.

BG> And the local NAB has been robbed (armed, of course) twice this year,

Armed robbery isnt something particularly new either.

BG> whilst the local servo owner has been held up and
BG> robbed SIX fucking times in the last 12 months.
BG> Always juveniles too. Fucking little scumbags.  :(

Sure, but thats nothing new either.

BG> Just saw a news report about some local coppers
BG> having their back window shot out while patrolling
BG> around here yesterday (broad daylight too).

Good trick, bet that livened their day up just a tad |-)

BG> How about swapping houses for 12 months,
BG> then we'll see what you have to say.  :)

We were discussing having a gun in the house tho, that
list of yours wouldnt matter a damn if you did or not.

RS> And a bit before that, even before the senile old fart of Concords time,
RS> if thats actually possible, Sydney was quite a bit worse than it is now.
RS> Razor gangs and all. You want to read Chow Hayes memoirs, a small time
RS> thug of that era. He actually shot a fellow dead on the dance floor
RS> would you believe, and got off on the charge too, on self defense grounds.

BG> Sure, and half the coppers of the time were no better, but this is
BG> supposed to have become a civilised society since those lawless days,

Nope, anyone who looks at the stats can see nothing much
has changed for the whole of this century on that stuff.
Between the wars wasnt 'those lawless days' anyway.

BG> but I've seen no evidence to support that at all.  Not here at least.

Sure, nothing much has changed this century.
The murder rate has dropped a bit but not much.

BL> We had a murder, several rapes, a suicide (very messy, he cut
BL> his throat) burglaries galore and wife-bashings every day of
BL> the week, not to mention drunk and disorderly as a way of life.

RS> Yeah, that stuffs been going on for a very long time. You dont
RS> see anything like the level of the old blood pubs either now.

BG> Next time you're up this way, visit the Waterford Hotel, where two
BG> people have been beaten to death during pub brawls in the last 6 months.

The rate used to be a lot higher than that.

BG> As with the murdered woman 2 doors down the
BG> road, one of the perps is also still at large.

And not getting caught isnt anything new either.

BG> Welcome to Logan.  You'll be right at home here, I promise you.

RS> Sure, but you said he would feel insecure there. He is
RS> saying he wouldnt. There are plenty of people who dont,
RS> even in the areas where the corpses keep piling up.

BG> We'll see.  I sure feel relatively secure now, but if the fuckwit
BG> pollies end up disarming me, that feeling will change REAL quick.

The absolute vast bulk of murders are still and always have been,
the corpse knowing the perp well, often family or close to that.

You are are more risk of Lyn shooting you than one of the hoons.

BG> As far as I'm concerned, it is my basic human right
BG> to be able to protect myself and my family from
BG> predators, and if I need a gun for that, so be it.

RS> Yeah, I think we should have the system seen in some US states where
RS> no burglar has any rights at all inside your house, whether thats
RS> breaking a leg tripping over something or ending up with bullet holes.

BG> Couldn't agree more.  If theyre uninvited, they should have
BG> NO rights. And that includes fucking Mormons and JWs too, IMO.

And pollys, and the council and the dog inspectors too |-)

BG> BTW, I saw a copper actually booking a couple
BG> of Mormons for not wearing helmets whilst riding
BG> their bikes a few months ago.  Made my day, it did.  :)

Oh charming, you'll burn |-)

RS> I dont see why say a woman alone in the house at night should have
RS> to try to get the burglar to bugger off in some other way, far too
RS> much risk of getting it wrong and ending up severely injured or dead.
RS> If the burglars dont like the risk, they are welcome to not burgle.

BG> Precisely.  As several of my copper mates have already said,
BG> shoot first, then put a kitchen knife in their hand before
BG> calling for help. They also suggested that it would help to
BG> make sure that he was dead first. Charming.  :)

He obviously came from the Victoria Police |-)

RS> Its been interesting to watch your QLD polly clowns go to water on that
RS> self defense stuff after Port Arfur. I'm not surprised to see complete
RS> fuckwits like Goss go to water, even after saying the exact opposite in
RS> the last election, but you would think that UberLeutnant Cooper might
RS> have had more balls. Specially with Liz Cunningham having the balls.

BG> Herrs Cooper and Borbidge have their own little problems
BG> right now (CJC, the Police Union, etc., as I'm sure you heard).

Yeah, rather amusing watching Rob dump on Russ |-)

That might not actually have been a triffic idea wot wiv the gun law stuff.

BG> Might even end up with another trip to the polls over this,

I doubt it.

BG> and boy, won't the next election campaign be interesting!

Yeah, it certainly would liven things up. Specially with the gun laws.

RS> Borbidge clearly is just a total fuckwit,
RS> no policy, dog shit between the ears.

BG> You may well laugh, Rod.  You don't have to put up with the fuckwit. :(

More fun to watch that young Wayne tho.
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