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to: Antti Kurenniemi
from: Rich
date: 2003-10-15 22:58:46
subject: Re: why George puts his foot in his mouth

From: "Rich" 

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   Believe what you wish but this mechanism is codifiled in the HTML =
standard.  Comments allow for constructs that are to be ignored by =
implementations that don't support them.  If you think that backward =
compatibility is stupid, so be it.

Rich

  "Antti Kurenniemi"  wrote in message =
news:3f8e2d99$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  I don't agree with you on this one. Nothing inside a comment should =
make any
  damn difference if it is altered or taken out, so using comments as
  conditional identifiers is not only wrong but also very stupid, and =
bound to
  fail sooner or later.

  Antti Kurenniemi

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3f8ddc7b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     Replace "browser" with "HTML viewer".  It's HTML. 
It's expressed =
as a
  comment for backward compatibility.  The same has been used in the =
past for
  other HTML constructs like script.

     None of this has anything to do with spam.  George made a bad =
assumption
  and failed to test these.  He has only himself to blame.

  Rich

    "John Beamish"  wrote in message
  news:3f8dd908{at}w3.nls.net...
    Not a good example, Rich.

    The opening sentence on the page reads "One of the most common =
operations
  performed in a Web page is to detect the browser type and version. "

    George was talking about using Word for an email editor.  Web pages =
and
  email/spammail are hardly likely to be overlapping sets.

      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3f8da505$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         These are not comments to be read.  These are conditional =
comments
  =
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.as=
p)
  and have meaning.

         You have only yourself to blame for deploying something you =
obviously
  did not test.

      Rich

        "Geo."  wrote in message
  news:3f8d9f59$1{at}w3.nls.net...

        Well Microsoft to the rescue.. All the idiots who use Word 10 as =
their
  email
        editor are now generating code with tons of comments like:

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        

        I mean come on people, is anyone at Microsoft even thinking =
about how
  this
        affects things, do they WANT more spam? What are you guys =
thinking,
  someone
        actually reads the SOURCE besides email admins trying to filter =
the
  crap?

        Geo.



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Rich
 

  "Antti Kurenniemi" <Antti{at}AnttiK.com>">mailto:Antti{at}AnttiK.com">Antti{at}AnttiK.com>
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Geo.

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