Hi, Paul.

PE> FM> Would you care to comment on Eef's comments below?

PE> Ok.

Thanks.

PE> EH>  FM> No I didn't know that. I'm surprised that you saw a
tab (which is
PE> EH>  FM> actually #9, #12 is FF) in my message. I don't normally type

PE> EH> Indeed: tab is ctrl-I is #9, FF is ctrl-L = #12.

PE> EH> According to FTS-0001 BOTH are illegal in packets, though.

PE> Please quote FTS-1, that should be good for a laugh.

I really would prefer not to go back in that sort of aggressive way. For
my part *I'm* trying to get to understand this, and for his, if indeed
he is wrong I really don't think that's the way to get him to see it, or
get co-operation on other things in future.

What *does* FTS-1 say on the subject?

PE> EH> A packet consists of:
PE> EH> printable chars in the range 32-126 (for text and the text fields in
PE> EH> header)

PE> Yeah?  Quote please.  Wrong again.

Presumably that will be the same quote, on what's allowed and what's
not?

PE> EH> And that is it. No other control chars, no "chars >
126", except for
PE> this
PE> EH> #141 (and of course the binary bytes and words in the binary fields of
PE> the
PE> EH> header).

PE> Quote please.

And again. I wish you'd just said what it is.

PE> EH>  FM> I think that's it. I understand that the PKT standard is to use
PE> EH>  FM> #141 as a 'soft' carriage return (CR + 128) but what
I don't yet
PE> know
PE> EH> is
PE> EH>  FM> whether those should get into the outgoing PKT or be stripped.

PE> Don't generate #141 at all.  Only dickheads generate that.  Have
PE> a look at what percentage of your incoming messages have them.
PE> Very, very few.  Note that you are not allowed to generate #141
PE> as a soft-CR if you use SOT/EOT.  You are allowed to use it as a
PE> national character (it's part of the Russian alphabet, e.g.).

As it happens, and what prompted this whole discussion in the first
place, I'm seeing them more and more often recently. I thought initially
in international echoes, but now I see a few people in, for example,
Z3_Tech also with 141s in their message. And they aren't Russian!

What I really would like to know is whether FTS-anything says "don't
put/leave 141s in your outgoing messages as soft CRs" - then I can
suggest that people change their software. Or that it says "141's may
represent soft CRs in messages" - then I can change PKT2QWK.

PE> EH> Both is possible. They ARE allowed in .PKT's but when
"tossing" those
PE> you
PE> EH> MAY strip them if you do not want them.

PE> So long as you don't alter in-transit mail, you may replace all
PE> occurrences of "shit" with "sh*t" if that's what
turns you on.

But what does that mean in the specific context of my question? And if
you weren't altering mail how could you change shit to sh1t?

Regards, fIM.

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