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date: 2003-10-13 18:24:48
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   Then don't.  It's all up to you.  I only questioned your false claim =
that there must be an always-on connection to Amazon.

Rich

  "Ellen K"  wrote in message =
news:609baf.4da882{at}harborwebs.com...
  I didn't say every mouse movement or keypress would be sent to Amazon, =
but
  again, if I want to go to Amazon, it's not a big deal to get there, =
and if I
  want a shortcut I'll create one myself.  I could keep a few IE windows =
open
  with one of them open to Amazon, but I DON'T WANT TO. =20

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  > You don't have to open IE, then go to amazon, then find out how to =
=3D
  > use amazon's specific UI for search, then do so.  Better still, if =
you =3D
  > choose to configure multiple providers you do not need to visit each =
=3D
  > independently.
  > Again, I don't see how any of this would ever imply an always on =3D
  > connection to anything.  I don't even see what an always on =
connection =3D
  > would mean.  Surely you weren't trying to insinuate that every key =
press =3D
  > and mouse movement you made was being sent to amazon's servers.
  > Rich
  > "Ellen K."  wrote in message =3D
  > news:polkovctn8qolrk5s137bl1kuksavnbj9m{at}4ax.com...
  > If I'm working in Office and I want to go to Amazon, I can open IE =
and
  > go to Amazon.   If the new "feature" doesn't have an always-on
  > connection to Amazon, how is it different from what I would do right
  > now?
  > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:36:43 -0700, "Rich"  wrote
in message
  > :
  >> No it doesn't imply that nor is it true.  I can't even imagine why =
=3D
  > you would believe that.  It's like saying that because you can call =
a =3D
  > friend to ask a question you and your friend must be in continuous =
=3D
  > contact.
  >>=20
  >> Rich
  >>=20
  >> "Ellen K."  wrote in
message =3D
  > news:2fakov4odrvctcj6rn3dpvk5ctrs00rqs8{at}4ax.com...
  >> Instant access to Amazon while working in Office implies an =3D
  > always-on
  >> connection to Amazon.  =3D20
  >>=20
  >> On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:27:23 -0700, "Rich" 
wrote in message
  >> :
  >>=20
  >> >   And what in this discussion leads you to insinuate that?
  >> >
  >> >Rich
  >> >
  >> >  "Ellen K." 
wrote in message =3D
  > news:835aovg1ama7qr20lgm0hu84kg82hug5d3{at}4ax.com...
  >> >  People aren't turned off by the idea of being able to do =3D
  > research while
  >> >  working, they are turned off by the idea that control of their =
=3D
  > computer
  >> >  doesn't lie completely with themselves.
  >> >
  >> >  On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:05:03 -0700, "Rich"
 wrote in message
  >> >  :
  >> >
  >> >  >   If you are curious why Amazon would like to join the likes =
=3D
  > of Dow Jones, LexisNexis, and others in providing research services =
to =3D
  > Microsoft Office users you should ask them.  If you feel that you =
would =3D
  > never want to use Amazon's service, don't.  If you think that no one =
=3D
  > else would want to, well I think you shouldn't try to speak for =
others.  =3D
  > I doubt I would use it but then I wouldn't use LexisNexis either but =
I =3D
  > recognize that others are not me.
  >> >  >
  >> >  >Rich
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  >    You don't have to =
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search, =3D
  > then do=3D20
  > so.  Better still, if you choose to configure multiple =
providers =3D
  > you do not=3D20
  > need to visit each independently.
  >  
  >    Again, I don't see =
how any =3D
  > of this=3D20
  > would ever imply an always on connection to anything.  I don't =
even =3D
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  > what an always on connection would mean.  Surely you weren't =
trying =3D
  > to=3D20
  > insinuate that every key press and mouse movement you made was being =
=3D
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  >  
  > Rich
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8q=3D
  > olrk5s137bl1kuksavnbj9m{at}4ax.com...If=3D20
  > I'm working in Office and I want to go to Amazon, I can open IE =3D
  > andgo to=3D20
  > Amazon.   If the new "feature" doesn't
have an=3D20
  > always-onconnection to Amazon, how is it different from what I =
=3D
  > would do=3D20
  > rightnow?On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:36:43
-0700, "Rich" =3D
  > <{at}>=3D20
  > wrote in message< =3D
  > =
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><=3D
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  > No it doesn't imply that nor is it true.  I can't even imagine =
=3D
  > why you=3D20
  > would believe that.  It's like saying that because you can call =
a =3D
  > friend=3D20
  > to ask a question you and your friend must be in continuous=3D20
  >
contact.>>Rich>> 
"Ellen K." =
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  > Instant access to Amazon while working in Office implies an=3D20
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Amazon.  =3D20
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08:27:23 -0700, "Rich" =3D
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;<=3D
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insinuate=3D20
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>> 
>Rich> =3D20
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K." < =3D
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  > >  People aren't turned off by the idea of being able to do =
=3D
  > research=3D20
  > while>  >  working, they
are turned off by the =
=3D
  > idea that=3D20
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>  doesn't lie =3D
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>>  >  On Wed, 8 =
Oct =3D
  > 2003=3D20
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>&=3D
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>   If you are curious =
why =3D
  > Amazon=3D20
  > would like to join the likes of Dow Jones, LexisNexis, and others in =
=3D
  > providing=3D20
  > research services to Microsoft Office users you should ask =
them.  =3D
  > If you=3D20
  > feel that you would never want to use Amazon's service, don't.  =
=3D
  > If you=3D20
  > think that no one else would want to, well I think you shouldn't try =
=3D
  > to speak=3D20
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>Rich
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   Then
don't.  It's all =
up to=20
you.  I only questioned your false claim that there must be an =
always-on=20
connection to Amazon.
 
Rich
 

  "Ellen K" <Ellen.K{at}harborwebs.com>">mailto:Ellen.K{at}harborwebs.com">Ellen.K{at}harborwebs.com>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:609baf.4da882{at}harborwebs.=
com...I=20
  didn't say every mouse movement or keypress would be sent to Amazon,=20
  butagain, if I want to go to Amazon, it's not a big deal to get =
there, and=20
  if Iwant a shortcut I'll create one myself.  I could keep a =
few IE=20
  windows openwith one of them open to Amazon, but I DON'T WANT =
TO. =20
  > From: "Rich"
<{at}>> This is a multi-part =
message in=20
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  then go to amazon, then find out how to =3D> use amazon's =
specific UI for=20
  search, then do so.  Better still, if you =3D>
choose to =
configure=20
  multiple providers you do not need to visit each =3D>=20
  independently.> Again, I don't see how any of this would ever =
imply an=20
  always on =3D> connection to anything.  I don't
even see =
what an=20
  always on connection =3D> would mean.  Surely
you weren't =
trying to=20
  insinuate that every key press =3D> and mouse movement you made =
was being=20
  sent to amazon's servers.> Rich>
"Ellen K." <72322.1016{at}compuserve.com&g=">mailto:72322.1016{at}compuserve.com">72322.1016{at}compuserve.com&g=
t;=20
  wrote in message =3D> news:polkovctn8q=
olrk5s137bl1kuksavnbj9m{at}4ax.com...>=20
  If I'm working in Office and I want to go to Amazon, I can open IE =
and>=20
  go to Amazon.   If the new "feature" doesn't have an=20
  always-on> connection to Amazon, how is it different from what =
I would=20
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"Rich"=20
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  No it doesn't imply that nor is it true.  I can't even imagine =
why=20
  =3D> you would believe that.  It's like saying that =
because you can=20
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be in=20
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>> =
Rich>>=20
  >> "Ellen K." <72322.1016{at}compuserve.com&g=">mailto:72322.1016{at}compuserve.com">72322.1016{at}compuserve.com&g=
t;=20
  wrote in message =3D> news:2fakov4odrv=
ctcj6rn3dpvk5ctrs00rqs8{at}4ax.com...>>=20
  Instant access to Amazon while working in Office implies an =
=3D>=20
  always-on>> connection to Amazon. 
=3D20>> =
>>=20
  On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:27:23 -0700, "Rich" <{at}> wrote in=20
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gt;=20
  >> >   And what in this
discussion leads you to =

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>>>
>Rich>>=20
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t;=20
  wrote in message =3D> news:835aovg1ama=
7qr20lgm0hu84kg82hug5d3{at}4ax.com...>>=20
  >  People aren't turned off by the idea of being able to do =
=3D>=20
  research while>> >  working, they
are turned off by =
the idea=20
  that control of their =3D>
computer>> >  =
doesn't lie=20
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>>> >  On =
Wed, 8=20
  Oct 2003 18:05:03 -0700, "Rich" <{at}> wrote in
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>   If you are curious why =
Amazon=20
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others in=20
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should ask=20
  them.  If you feel that you would =3D> never
want to use =
Amazon's=20
  service, don't.  If you think that no one =3D>
else would =
want to,=20
  well I think you shouldn't try to speak for others. 
=3D> =
I doubt I=20
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  I'm working in Office and I want to go to Amazon, I can open IE =
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  right<BR>now?<BR><BR>On Sun, 12
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that?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
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&gt;Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=3D20>=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;
&gt;&nbsp; "Ellen K."=20
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  &gt;&nbsp; People aren't turned off by the idea of being able =
to do=20
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while<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; working, they are turned off by the
=3D> =
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  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; If
you are curious why =

  =3D> Amazon=3D20> would like to join
the likes of Dow =
Jones,=20
  LexisNexis, and others in =3D>
providing=3D20> research =
services to=20
  Microsoft Office users you should ask them.&nbsp;
=3D> If=20
  you=3D20> feel that you would never want to use Amazon's =
service,=20
  don't.&nbsp; =3D> If you=3D20>
think that no one =
else would want=20
  to, well I think you shouldn't try =3D> to
speak=3D20> =
for=20
  others.&nbsp; I doubt I would use it but then I wouldn't use =
=3D>=20
  LexisNexis=3D20> either but I recognize that others are not=20
  me.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =3D> =
&gt;&nbsp;=3D20>=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  =
&gt;Rich<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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