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 BK>>>  You have described your own words. You have never shown me to
 BK>>>  lie in Fidonet. Not one.

 JH>> Tell us again about how there is a city or town named
 JH>> Duluth, Wisconsin. You sat at your keyboard and typed out a

 BK>>  Google for "Duluth Wisconsin". The hit counter shows
over 14,000
 BK>>  hits. Among them is Clubplanet.com, which is just a nightlife
 BK>>  report, but just in case you wanted to party.

 JH> And if you were not a liar, you could take the time to
 JH> search for the different "venues" there, you'll find that

 To not be a liar I am not obligated to search for different
 "venues", all I have to do is show there are a multitude of
 sources giving the information I gave you. For that matter, just
 one proves my point.

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 BK>>  Then you can stay at the Bed and Breakfast listed by the
 BK>>  Wisconsin Bed And Breakfast Association, (WBBA) which says on
 BK>>  their website:
 BK>>  (www.wbba.org/duluth-wisconsin-bed-breakfast.html)

 BK>>  Duluth Wisconsin Bed and Breakfast Home > Find a B&B > By City
 >> Duluth

 BK>>  This Great Lakes town features old mansions and cobblestone
 BK>>  streets. These Wisconsin inns combine historic charm and modern
 BK>>  amenities. Each is within view or earshot of Lake Superior and
 BK>>  near the Lakewalk, Canal Park shopping district and fine
 BK>>  restaurants. Nature lovers can stay at one of the
 BK>>  "birder-friendly" inns that offer birding resources and
 BK>>  excursions. Duluth was recognized by Coastal Living as one of
 BK>>  the top ten bed and breakfast towns.

 JH> And if you weren't a liar, and would take time to notice,
 JH> you'll find that there are _no_ B&Bs listed there, unlike

 If you weren't a liar you would understand that I am not
 obligated to search deeper into their sources. If the Wisconsin
 Bed and Breakfast Association lists Duluth Wisconsin on their
 website, I have no reason to question it.

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 BK>>  Or at the Spirt Mountain/Duluth Travel Lodge
 BK>>  9315 Westgage Blvd,
 BK>>  Duluth, WI 55810

 JH> And if you weren't a liar, you could take time to go to
 JH> Mapquest and search on that street address and zipcode, you
 JH> will find from the map that address is in Duluth, MN.

 If you weren't a liar you would never have posted any such
 stupidity. If the listing gives an address of Duluth Wisconsin I
 have no reason to question it.

 JH> In addition, if you gto to the usps.com website, and search

 Why would I? If they give that as an address I see no reason to
 question it.

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 BK>>  To get there you can contact:
 BK>>  Skyline Travel and Cruise
 BK>>  4894 Miller Trunk Hwy
 BK>>  Duluth WI 55811

 JH> Same thing - if you weren't a liar, you could go to
 JH> Mapquest and enter that address and zipcode, you will see

 If you weren't a liar you would understand that I have no reason
 to question their honesty. They give their address that way, and
 I accept their address that way.

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 BK>>  And if you like it and decide to move there your teenage
 BK>>  daughter can get a job at the YWCA of Duluth in Wisconsin,
 BK>>  listed by the Wisconsin Departement of Workforce Development.

 JH> And if you weren't a liar, you could click on the job
 JH> listing and see right up top - "Out of State - MN."   You

 I you weren't a liar you would understand that I have no reason
 to do so. If the Wisconsin Departement of Workforce Development
 has it on their website, I see no reason to question it.

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 BK>>  Now, a lot of those hits were references to things with other
 BK>>  associations, and, I've never been to that part of Wisconsin,

 JH> Duh.  You can save yourself a trip by doing some valid
 JH> online investigation, for a change.

 Why would I? For you to go to that much trouble over something
 that doesn't affect you in any way indicates either you have a
 serious anal retentive personality, or you are seriously nasty
 and viscious. Either way, your loss.

 BK>>  so it could be that all of those listings were errors, not one
 BK>>  out of 14,700 correct.

 JH> Now you're getting warm.  I'll bet you can't find even one
 JH> which can withstand scrutiny and is in fact correct.  Go
 JH> ahead, knock yourself out.

 Why? I see no reason to question any of them. Unless I plan to
 go there, and I don't, there is no reason for me to worry about
 it.

 BK>>  OTOH, that isn't my responsibility.

 JH> So far, you're striking out.  That _is_ your
 JH> responsibility, liar.

 And that is your lie. For me to lie I would have to knowingly
 say something that is untrue. Since I have shown good reason to
 believe it is true, I could be in error, but no way can you
 honestly call me a liar. Which makes you the liar.

 BK>>  False accusation strike 1 against you.

 JH> Not at all.  You have yet to show any valid evidence that
 JH> there is a municipality in Wisconsin bearing the name of
 JH> Duluth.  Liar.  Second batter, strike three.

 Lie on your part. Whether or not I show there is one, or a
 thousand, or no place in Wisconsin that has the name Duluth, all
 I do have to show is reason to believe there is and I am proven
 not to be a liar. Which make you the liar.

 Oh, don't forget, it doesn't have to be a municipality. I could
 be a county, or a township, or even a region with no actual
 legal standing. The Ohio River valley does exist, but I do not
 know of any legal status for it.

 JH>> And, you might also tell us again about how Reverend
 JH>> Jeremiah Wright served in VietNam when he was in the Marine
 JH>> Corps or Navy.

 BK>>  He was in the Marine Corps, then the Navy. Google "jeremiah
 BK>>  wright" and marine. You get 232,000 hits.

 JH> BFD.

 BK>>  If you ad "vietnam
 BK>>  vet" to the search it comes down to 5,860.

 JH> BFD.

 BK>>  I don't know Rev
 BK>>  Jeremiah Wright, I have never met him, and I don't know if all
 BK>>  the references are wrong, nor do I plan to review them all. What
 BK>>  is clear is, there are a whole lotta people saying that.

 JH> Which would only go to prove the wisdom that liberals like
 JH> to lie a lot.

 To say that you have to prove he did not serve in Vietnam, then
 you have to prove that every single one of those people
 said he did, knowing that he didn't. Failing that the most you
 can say is they were wrong. For you to call people liars with no
 proof makes you the liar.

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 BK>>  False accusation strike 2 against you.

 JH> Not at all.  It is not a false accusation, and you have yet

 A: Prove Wright did *NOT* serve in Vietnam.

 B: Prove those who wrote that he did knew that he didn't.

 C: Prove that I knew all the above.

 If you can't, you are the liar.

 JH> to show even one reliable source supporting your lie and
 JH> stating that the irreverent reverend served in VietNam.

 Croasmun would tell you that dozens of sources are not one.

 I found dozens of sources. It is neither my responsibility nor
 my intention to investigate any of them. You have not cited one
 reliable source to say he didn't. For that matter, you haven't
 even cited one source, reliable or not, that challenges those
 sources I found.

 JH>> Also, you might finally come up with a link to the
 JH>> "correction" you say the Boston Globe published, after you
 JH>> claim they misled you into believing that "Murtha fought in
 JH>> two wars, and was decorated for it."

 BK>>  I don't recall claiming *THEY misled me into anything.

 JH> That was your indication when challenged earlier.  You

 Indication???? You do draw inferences from the smallest hints.

 JH> cited the BG as your source (thereby implying they had
 JH> misled you), at the same time claiming they had later
 JH> issued a correction.  When asked for a cite for the
 JH> original and the correction, you refused.

 Did I? That was so long ago I don't recall, but I do recall the
 correction was not that hard to find then. If I bother to go
 back and find that and it supports my case will you admit that
 one finding proves you the liar and discredits you totally? If
 not, it won't be worth my time to look.

 BK>>  I do
 BK>>  recall that was the common belief. Try to prove it wasn't.

 JH> The common belief among liberal liars, perhaps.  The only

 At that time every single person discussing the subject in the
 echos accepted it as correct until one person did question it.
 And it most certainly was not just the Boston Globe that was the
 only source, but the only correction I found. That much I do
 recall.

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 BK>>  The person I was discussing that with, a conservative, can't
 BK>>  recall who, also believed it was true.

 JH> Cite, please.  Check your fabled archives, if you like.

 Give me a reason to do so. If I find the thread, and show it
 true, will you admit you are discredited?

 JH> But even if you do find a Fidoconservative who seemed to
 JH> believe it doesn't make your lie into truth.

 You are the liar. If everyone in the echo believed it except for
 that one person, then you define everyone, right and left, as
 liars, except for one person.

 BK>>  As did just about
 BK>>  everyone in Fido I ever discussed it with.

 JH> Can you cite and quote even one?

 Yep. I can. All I have to do is go back through my archives. But
 I won't because you don't rate the effort. Unless you agree that
 doing so will constitute discrediting you.

 BK>>  It is stupid of you
 BK>>  to try to suggest I bear responsibility for what pretty
 BK>>  much everybody believed to be true.

 JH> "Pretty much everybody?"  Do you have any evidence for
 JH> this?

 If you were there, then you know it is true. If you don't know
 it is true then you suffer from some mental defect that will
 prevent you from recognizing the truth when it hits you in the
 face.

 JH> Even so, all that would prove is the same as above-
 JH> - that liberals lie a lot, and the Liberal Gospel Rule in
 JH> action.

 So, now you attribute unlimited stupidity to conservatives? Ok,
 I can accept that.

 BK>>  False accusation strike 3 against you.
 BK>>  You're out.

 JH> Nonsense.

 Truth. Which you will never recognize. You accuse, you prove.
 Put up or shut up.

 You screw up then point the finger at others.  Typical.

 Very true indeed.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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