On Feb 10, 1996 at 21:30, Paul Edwards of 3:711/934.9 wrote:

 PE> If I have time, I might go and take a look at your original
 PE> quote on that.  I bet I might even find a couple of ":-(" on
 PE> it.

You think ":-(" indicates nothing more than a complaint?  Dear me..

 PE> Well before claiming something is stuffed, at least have the
 PE> decency to use the executable provided before stuffing around
 PE> with it.

I checked the executable provided, and sure enough it doesn't have that
problem;  but "BTPE" is more than just the executable included,
it's also the most useful source code that you keep touting as a
benefit/feature and sign of "release-not-beta" status.  Since a
simple recompile WITH DEFAULTS can break it, then the source is of no value
and "BTPE" is stuffed.

 PE> Since it is most likely that YOU stuffed it, by recompiling it
 PE> differently.

Since there is no way that I stuffed it as I recompiled it using YOUR
DEFAULTS, then it's YOUR BUG.  BTPE is stuffed.  To say otherwise is to
agree that the problem you've uncovered in the USR is not a bug because so
many USR users for years haven't encountered.  I've now encountered a
"bug" (by design or accident) in the BTPE package, and ergo (just
as the USR is shit) BTPE is stuffed.  Deal with it.

 db>> It's either a bug by accident or design, but it's still a bug all the
 db>> same and therefore it's stuffed.
 PE>
 PE> YOU stuffed it.

Using YOUR source code, so it's YOUR bug.  BTPE is stuffed.

 PE> So BTEE is perfect, no source code needed, keep using it instead
 PE> of complaining about Vince.

I am using it, and I'm not complaining about Vince.  So?

 db>> Rubbish - almost all EE enhancements are in 2.59 .. even the expanded
 db>> (zoom) outbound window (which I *do* use).
 PE>
 PE> They weren't when EE was released...

Tough.

 PE> ...and you still don't know until 2.60, which may never be released.

Since we've both agreed that 2.59 is probably the last version Vince will
ever release, and 2.59 has these features, your efforts are in vain.

 db>> Fax?  Yes it is.  EMSI?  Yes it is.  Hydra?  Yes it is.  Expanded
 db>> outbound...
 db>>
 PE> Nope, not yet.

Yes, *now* - too frightened to take a peek at 2.59 and see for yourself? 
I've looked, and inbound fax, EMSI, Hydra and the expanded outbound window
*are* all there.

 PE> Sorry, that is a beta, 2.60 will be the release.

Apologise all you want, you're still wrong.

 PE> Next you'll be saying that Windows NT was released on schedule.

No I won't, because there is only one Windows NT development tree, period. 
Or are you planning on releasing Windows PE soon?

 db>> Wanking with words - it's beta in name only;  availability of source 
 db>> does not affect its alpha/beta/gamma/release status.
 PE>
 PE> Yes it does.

In which case Windows NT will never leave alpha/beta/gamma.  Get serious.

 PE> Binkley has always come with source code when it is released.  It hasn't.

So if Vince distributes a "release-level" BinkleyTerm 2.60 but
refuses to give you the source code, you're going to argue that 2.60 is
still beta/alpha?  Get serious.

 PE> It was YOU that was claiming it to be an all-important feature.

Prove it.

 PE> In netmail a few months ago.

I mentioned it as a feature (like Hydra, fax, or whatever else), not as an
all-important feature;  if I felt it was important, you wouldn't have heard
the end of it.

 PE> Ah, read the previous message on that.  BFN.  Paul.

I did - you're still wrong.


    - dave
    d.begley{at}ieee.org

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