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to: CHRISTOPHER TARANA
from: RAYMOND YATES
date: 1998-02-05 11:12:00
subject: Re: News-000

Raymond overheard Re: News-000 on the Coconut Telegraph....
 -=> Quoting Nat Potter to Karl Schneider <=-
 
 KS>On (30 Jan 98) Jim Cole wrote to Jim Sanders...
 
 KS> ??  AF1 is a 747.
 
 NP> Mr. Schneider:  I believe AF1 is assigned to the President, no matter 
 NP> what USAF aircraft he is on at the time.  *:-<)
 CT> Actually Nat, I'm going to disgree with you on that point.  I
 CT> do believe AF1 is the code name for the particular Boeing VC-135 that
 CT> the president uses for everything besides his dates.  AF1 is laid out
 CT> quite differently from a MMEL point than a standard B-707 or VC-135. 
 CT> Whether or not they've upgraded to a B747, I'm not sure.  The only
 CT> modified B-747 in my copy of Jane's are the four E-4B Kneecap National
 CT> Emergency Command Post Aircraft.  (94 crew on 3 decks, 5 mile trailing
 CT> wire antenna (VLF) in dorsal pod.)
 CT> If the president needs to transfer to another aircraft, it's
 CT> possible the Secret Service might assign it a proxy code name, but not
 CT> AF1.  I'm going to look that one up next time I "paddle the Net" and
 CT> see what barks. 
 CT> Christopher
 I'm only going to get into this based on  personal experience.
 Back in the dark ages of the Nixon Administration I was associated
 in a left-handed way with the White House and, in particular, some
 of the flight operations. This is from personal experience based
 on actual observation, and, of course the disclamer applies that
 the information is dated. On the other hand, we are talking about
 monolithic goverment habits.....  :}
 Air Force one is the designate for ANY Air Force aircraft the 
 President is travelling on. Air Force Two is the designate
 for ANY Air Force Aircraft the Vice-President is travelling on.
 The same system translates over to other services, I.E. Marine
 One, Two, Coast Guard One, Two, Navy One, Two, Army One, Two.
 The designate is NOT aircraft specific. If the President is in
 one of the 89th SMAW  Gulfstream's.... That is Air Force One.
 
 Additionaly, the designate does not include family, just the
 office-holder. The call sign for an A/C with Hillary only on board
 would be different, on the order of " {tail number} Special"
 I hope this helps.
R.C.Yates
SSGT {ret}
 
 
 
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