Hi All!
 John Allen wrote:
JA> Perhaps we have reached a point where a Car Audio Echo has
JA> become a requirement in order to keep our conversations
JA> interesting and restricted to subjects that will actually be
JA> of interest and educational to participants all around the world.
JA> We even have a following in Russia now! I communicate with one
JA> who advised that a PC in one of the few High End Audio stores
JA> near Moscow either keeps updated printouts of our Audio Echo
JA> or actually has it available for customers to browse. And.....
JA> what we discuss here, and have been for over a year has quite a
JA> following there. This gentleman quoted messages from months
JA> ago about speaker placement and room sound conditioning, etc.
JA> & which the employees of the store quote to customers as if
JA> handed down from God.
Really??!!  Hello Russia and thanks for following our discussions, but I
hardly feel godlike, and don't believe the others here are looking for a
promotion either! Sure am glad that someone is listening though!
JA> High End Audio and Car Audio have no more in common than the
JA> word "audio". There are different goals, different equipment,
JA> environment, and VERY different people with very different
JA> attituides and very different regard for other people. They
JA> cannot reside in the same place peacefully.
 I suspect that this is true, and have been getting increasingly irate
at the quality level of that discussion here. There does seem to be some
efforts to get an official Car Audio echo going which will allow us to
exclude that conversation from this echo, other than refering those
interested  the topic to the appropriate echo as a recommendation.
JA> So what do we need to do? Car Audio Echo for those so inclined?
JA> High End Home Audio Echo for the Old Guard?  Rewrite the Audio
JA> Echo rules and let Car Audio fend for itself?
OK, Greg, Matt or anyone else, I suggest that you get a Car Audio echo
elisted quickly. I am taking Johns suggestion under advisement and
leaning towards banning Car Audio here, but would rather refer those
interested in that discussion to another echo. The original intent of
this echo as stated in the echo policy which will be posted along with
this, is to allow basically anything that makes a sound, not just high
end home systems, like live sound, recording, computer and other
generated sounds, etc.
Comments and discussion will be allowed on this "off topic" yet crutial
conversation until September 1, 1996 or until a Car Audio echo is
Elisted which ever comes first. Additionally, I will allow the Car Audio
folks to advertise their echo here to help get the number of nodes
carrying the echo higher, and whatever else that can be done to assist
their efforts. It is in the best interest of both audiences, which as
you so aptly stated is VERY different and incompatible as we have seen
over the last few months.
Bonnie Goodwin
Moderator - AUDIO
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO         Ref: DBZ32408 Date: 07/30/96
From: MICHAEL SUHM                                          Time: 03:40am
\/To: BONNIE GOODWIN                                      (Read 4 times)
Subj: R: CAR AUDIO - Create it or ban it here?   00:32:0007/26/96

As Bonnie decides to censor THE growing segment of the Audio field...
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BG>OK, Greg, Matt or anyone else, I suggest that you get a Car Audio echo
BG>elisted quickly. I am taking Johns suggestion under advisement and
BG>leaning towards banning Car Audio here, but would rather refer those
BG>interested in that discussion to another echo. The original intent of
BG>this echo as stated in the echo policy which will be posted along with
BG>this, is to allow basically anything that makes a sound, not just high
BG>end home systems, like live sound, recording, computer and other
BG>generated sounds, etc.
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I find it most interesting that the subjects of Recording and
Live Sound Reproduction will still be welcomed here, although
there currently is another echo for those topics.
Is this because these subjects encompass your main interest Bonnie?!
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The way that many of you have been treating car audio resembles
what the older generation thought of the Beatles, or the
emergence of Rock and Roll.  Believe it or not, Car Audio is NOT
the work of the devil, and you need not cower in fear for lack
of understanding, although there is apparently plenty of that.
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I, for one, work in all three mediums: Home, Car, and Pro Sound,
and although I have NEVER agreed with over-bassed car audio
systems, it has been invaluable and helpful in teaching me about
loudspeaker building, the importance of power supplies, and
especially in noise control in pro-sound systems.
My knowledge would be much more limited if it were not for the
car audio medium.  Frankly, with some of the attitudes here, I
find it amazing that you've been open-minded enough to learn to
use your computer.
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Personally, I didn't care about the extended discussion on AC-3
that rambled on for months.  And I do mean rambled!  But I just
skipped most of the messages, and occasionally read some of the
lengthy ones, and tried to extract some good information from them.
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I'm quite sure that when all of us started into any aspect of audio,
we all looked at the wrong specs as being important. Heck, I remember
thinking that because a tape deck door closed slowly, it must have
been a decent deck!
Not to mention, the thrill of having huge dual woofers in a pair
of tower speakers. (And they put out 200 watts. heh heh)
As I've said before in here, instead of critisizing and stereotyping
the "younger" or newer generation of audio buffs, let's see some
good information, and set them on the right track.
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But no, instead we choose to censor and outlaw the discussion of
up and coming topics that can actually teach us something new, or
at least spark some new ideas.
If that's the case, then you can keep sending messages discussing
loudspeaker placement for years to come, while those of us who
are willing to discuss and learn from car audio, will have that
particular problem solved.  As there is no place on earth more
difficult to place speakers than in a vehicle.
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Mike
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO         Ref: DBY01165 Date: 07/26/96
From: BONNIE GOODWIN                                        Time: 12:38am
\/To: ALL                                                 (Read 4 times)
Subj: Da Rules!

 Welcome to the International Fido-Net AUDIO echo! We hope you enjoy
this echo and visit us often. Some guidelines on this echo follow:
*- PURPOSE -*
 The AUDIO echo is a topic limited message area intended to provide a
place for general discussion of sound, audio and acoustics except as
noted below including hi-fi, stereo, car stereo, walkmans, audio for
film/video, pro audio, sound reinforcement, recording, broadcasting,
sound synthesis, etc.
EXCEPTIONS AND LIMITATIONS:
 A. Any topic that does not fall within the PURPOSE as stated above
is deemed off-topic and should not be posted in the AUDIO echo. A
more appropriate place should be found on your calling system, a
lack of which does not justify placing an off-topic message here in
any instance.
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etc.
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echos
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A piece of equipment that is ideal for someone may not be for you. Why
you think something sucks is often of more interest than that you think
something sucks, as an example.
 D. This echo has a wide spectrum of users with various levels of
experience, expertise and abilities. Respect and courtesy works well.
Accuracy of information is appreciated and encouraged.
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gating this echo to other networks is allowed, as long as I am
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 Now, let's all get back to discussing AUDIO!!
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