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echo: educator
to: MATT SMITH
from: CHARLES BEAMS
date: 1997-02-20 15:59:00
subject: Re: Where We Stand

In response to a message to Charles on ...
MS>CB> Many people believe that getting tenure guarantees a teacher a 
MS>CB> lifetime job, even if the teacher's subsequent performance is lousy. 
MS>
MS>I can refer you to "Thompson vs. Bd. of Education", the 
MS>definitive tenure case in this state in which the state 
MS>supreme court said just how lousy performance will be 
MS>accepted before a tenured teacher can be fired.  (292 N.C. 
MS>406 or 233 S.E.2d 538).  It is almost impossible to fire 
MS>any tenured teacher pursuant to the standard in that case.
I can't think of too many reports that hold a North Carolina 
education up as one of the better in the country, so I could guess 
that the tenure system also stinks in your sate.  As I reported 
earlier in this echo, there were nearly 200 teachers brought up on 
tenure charges here in New York in 1995-96, most of whom are no 
longer teaching.  If I recall correctly, a large percentage of those 
who were fired went on to become respected lawyers ;-)
Perhaps you should move?
MS>CB> So they listen sympathetically to calls for abolishing tenure. But 
MS>CB> tenure does nothing of the sort. It simply guarantees that there 
MS>CB> will be some form of due process before a teacher can be dismissed. 
MS>
MS>Tenure laws and their interpretation by the courts also 
MS>say what the standards for retaining people will be: how 
MS>bad is bad enough to get fired.
On a state-by-state basis.  If you're not happy with the system 
you're paying for, move.
Chuck
Chuck Beams
cbeams@dreamscape.com
http://www.dreamscape.com/cbeams
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