> JP :>    When I'm riding he will stop - expand his
 > JP :>sometimes it's gas - sometimes it's semi-firm -
 > JP :>sometimes it's really runny ..... like I said
 > JP :>only seems to happen when I'm riding or driving
 > regularily.
 > If your vet has ruled out any other cause, and this is
 > ONLY happening when you ride or drive him, then it
 > most likely is nerves, Jean.  And pretty bad ones at
 > that!  Some horses just don't show how nervous they
 > are...they don't shake, misbehave, etc.  But it has to
 > come out somewhere (no pun intended!), and it sounds
 > to me like this is what's happening with X.
    I was wondering if that was possible ..... he just doesn't SHOW any signs 
of being nervous (outward signs). That's why I ask the question....
 > I'd quit branning him more than usual and stop the
 > psyllium unless you ;think you need it....I don't
 > think this has anything to do with a colicy type of
 > situation. However, if the gas gets really bad and he
    I suppose I'm really panicky about colic now since what happened to 
"Baby"....I've stopped the psyllium ..... and, I'm only branning him when I 
bran everyone else (and that's once a week).
 > seems to be in pain, then you're dealing with another
    He doesn't seem to be in pain - at least he doesn't act as though he is.
 > thing totally.  How is his manure in his stall?  Does
 > this happen only when you ride or drive, or before or
 > after?  How soon before you ride him are you feeding
 > him?  How's his water consumption?  Does he do this
 > with Buddy (and this is a very serious question).
    Manure in his stall looks good (sometimes smells to high heaven 
though)....this runny stuff only seems to happen after we get going -- either 
driving (and only Buddy drives him) and riding (and, only *I* ride him).
    It seems to be getting better now though ..... last few sessions his poop 
seemed more like normal ..... maybe he was just nervous for a little while 
...... *I* have relaxed so maybe HE relaxed ..... whatcha' think??  Of course 
that doesn't count when you figure he was doing it when Buddy was driving him 
(but, it didn't happen last night at all when we took him for a drive).
 > So, first make sure there's not pain going on here
 > with tack, bit, feet, legs, back, etc.  Then if you've
 > ruled out everything, I hate to tell you this, but it
 > might be your nerves that are transmitting themselves
 > to him.
    You might have hit the nail on the head, Meg -- like I said, since I've 
calmed down, he has too.....the more I ride him, the more confident I've 
become.
 > If this is the case, then you need to back WAY off and
 > start right from scratch with athe two of you.  You'll
 > have to make sure that you're confident with anything
 > you do.  And, you're going to almost have to retrain
 > him not to get nervous when you're working with him.
 > You know the drill...short, pleasant work sessions.
 > Even a few minutes at a time.
    Yep ....... been doing that ....
 > Thistle had a similar problem..however it only
 > happened when I put shipping boots on her..she knew
 > she was going to a show, and she'd start with the
 > runny manure right away.  Never happened any other
 > time.
    Hummmmmmmm......well, that does answer my question.
 > Sorry to have to say all this stuff to you, but I'd
 > hate not to and have you think this was just a
 > physical problem with him...and I really don't think
 > it is.
    I'm sure you are right, Meg ...... no problem -- hey, I KNOW I've had a 
problem with being nervous with hiim -- and, he's so good .... you'd think 
I'd have gotten over it by now.  However, like I said above -- I'm starting 
to relax and so is he.  I have no idea why he was still doing it when Buddy 
drove him......but maybe it's because I'm the one who tacked him up....things 
are better now though.
 > Let me know ASAP how you make out.  This is not what
 > you needed just now, heh?
    Hehehehehe ......... no, I kinda' figured it was nerves (mine 
).......he's such a good little guy and so willing to please....we're 
getting MUCH better together now though ..... (and, I'm trying NOT to think 
"I'd rather be riding "Baby" ...... I'm trying to concentrate on X and 
X alone.
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